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- Mike - 06-12-2006
Apoc Wrote:What about driving on the shoulder to get by bumper to bumper traffic?
unused pavement - check
relatively safe - check
not inconviencing others - check
not very safe IMO.
- Apoc - 06-12-2006
G.Irish Wrote:HA!!! Oh wait-I guess it was Chris who said that. Next time fool!
My first post Wrote:"I think parking on sidewalks are like solo drivers using the HOV... what makes you more special than anyone else? The fact that you drive a motorcycle? Big deal."
Keep trying though...
- Dragon - 06-12-2006
It's all a judgement call, some people use good judgement when making that call some don't.
IMHO people don't treat bikes with the same respect that they do cars whether it be while on the road or when they're parked. I've seen countless people hop on parked bikes that weren't theres just because the mood struck them. As was said previously people see a nice car whether it be a convertible or unlocked they aren't going to do the same. Because of that most bikers want to keep their bikes within plain sight.
In the case of Front Page to use a specific instance, the parking is for the most part no-where in plain sight of the restaurant. The side walk there is huge so parking a few bikes in a line against the building really isn't in the way too much. People can still travel 4 or 5 wide along the side walk and not get too close to the road or the bikes.
Are we entitled to that, nope, are we gonna take it if it's available to us and it's not causing too much chaos, of course.
That being said, after today (crosses fingers) I won't be afraid to park my bike just about anywhere, the disc lock + the scorpio alarm will keep anyone from fucking with it.
- Sijray21 - 06-12-2006
Mike Wrote:Apoc Wrote:What about driving on the shoulder to get by bumper to bumper traffic?
unused pavement - check
relatively safe - check
not inconviencing others - check
not very safe IMO.
i had to do it before and i'll do it again if i need to. I was overheating on my bike, my battery was dying (had to shut it down due to heat and then clutch start it on 495 traffic), and i'll be damned if i'm going to be stranded on 495 in traffic in swealtering heat. You do what you need to do though and it was, IMO, and emergency situation so i used the shoulder to get to the nearest exit.
i wouldn't call it relatively safe though mainly because of the excess debris and the fact that people driving "know" that it's not being used unless for emergency so they'll assume that no one will be occupying that lane (much less a small motorcycle that isn't always clearly visible).
I'm also an individual that believes that motorcycles should be allowed to lane-split in traffic, but that's just me.
- G.Irish - 06-12-2006
Apoc Wrote:What about driving on the shoulder to get by bumper to bumper traffic?
unused pavement - check
relatively safe - check
not inconviencing others - check
Well that would result in a ticket wouldn't it? Kinda like going 15 over the speed limit. Going 15 over isn't necessarily dangerous but nonetheless you'll get a reckless for it. Same with riding on the shoulder.
If I'm right next to my exit and I would only have to ride on the outside for 50 yards in a place where I'm not gonna get hit or something you're damned right I'll ride on the shoulder.
To be honest I wish lane-splitting were legal in VA. Its legal in CA and in a lot of other countries where there are a lot more motorcycles and a lot bigger traffic problems. Ironically enough, the way the law reads it would be legal for a scooter to lane split...
Quote:§ 46.2-857 A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives any motor vehicle, including any motorcycle, so as to be abreast of another vehicle in a lane designed for one vehicle, or drives any motor vehicle, including any motorcycle, so as to travel abreast of any other vehicle traveling in a lane designed for one vehicle. However, this section shall not apply to any validly authorized parade, motorcade, or motorcycle escort, nor shall it apply to a motor vehicle traveling in the same lane of traffic as a bicycle, electric personal assistive mobility device, electric power-assisted bicycle, or moped
- Evan - 06-12-2006
i thought lane splitting was legal in VA? or is it just MD?
- Sijray21 - 06-12-2006
Evan Wrote:i thought lane splitting was legal in VA? or is it just MD?
neither i believe
- G.Irish - 06-12-2006
Apoc Wrote:G.Irish Wrote:HA!!! Oh wait-I guess it was Chris who said that. Next time fool!
My first post Wrote:"I think parking on sidewalks are like solo drivers using the HOV... what makes you more special than anyone else? The fact that you drive a motorcycle? Big deal."
Keep trying though...
I see your quote, and raise you by a quote:
Apoc Wrote:It really has nothing to do with inconvience, it has to do with doing something illegal because you think you require special treatment.You probably do lots of illegal things because you don't think its that big of a deal. In the state of VA if you got a blow job before 2004 you were breaking the law. Somehow I think you chose to ignore that statute.
- Mike - 06-12-2006
nope, illegal in va... funny that mopeds are legal to do it.
- Apoc - 06-12-2006
how the eff do you delete a post?
- Apoc - 06-12-2006
G.Irish Wrote:Apoc Wrote:G.Irish Wrote:HA!!! Oh wait-I guess it was Chris who said that. Next time fool!
My first post Wrote:"I think parking on sidewalks are like solo drivers using the HOV... what makes you more special than anyone else? The fact that you drive a motorcycle? Big deal."
Keep trying though...
I see your quote, and raise you by a quote:
Apoc Wrote:It really has nothing to do with inconvience, it has to do with doing something illegal because you think you require special treatment.You probably do lots of illegal things because you don't think its that big of a deal. In the state of VA if you got a blow job before 2004 you were breaking the law. Somehow I think you chose to ignore that statute.
Ah but you're helping my case... I didn't switch arguments, I used them both in the same post!
I was talking about shoulder use in a car... but I suppose the example works just as well on a bike. As far as BJs are concerned... just ask Andrew's sister.
- Sijray21 - 06-12-2006
Apoc Wrote:I was talking about shoulder use in a car... but I suppose the example works just as well on a bike.
i think it's more acceptable on a bike (again) due to size. My main concern about people using the shoulder is if they were to break down or get into an accident or create another backed-up traffic lane as to not allow an emergency vehicle to pass safely. With a bike you can squeeze it inbetween cars or on the side if necessary to allow for a safe passage. With a car you cannot do this, there just simply not enough room grated everything else remain constant. Therefore i see it much worse if a car does this than a bike and it's again due to the relative sizes for each.
- Sijray21 - 06-12-2006
Apoc Wrote:how the eff do you delete a post?
the little [x] button :wink: - but it has to be the last post in the thread :wink:
- Apoc - 06-12-2006
Sijray21 Wrote:Apoc Wrote:I was talking about shoulder use in a car... but I suppose the example works just as well on a bike.
i think it's more acceptable on a bike (again) due to size. My main concern about people using the shoulder is if they were to break down or get into an accident or create another backed-up traffic lane as to not allow an emergency vehicle to pass safely. With a bike you can squeeze it inbetween cars or on the side if necessary to allow for a safe passage. With a car you cannot do this, there just simply not enough room grated everything else remain constant. Therefore i see it much worse if a car does this than a bike and it's again due to the relative sizes for each.
Not sure what that has to do it because the shoulder is designed for cars to stop when they do break down as to not block lanes of travel.
- G.Irish - 06-12-2006
Sijray21 Wrote:Apoc Wrote:how the eff do you delete a post?
the little [x] button :wink: - but it has to be the last post in the thread :wink:
Ah ha! An attempt to delete the evidence!
- Apoc - 06-12-2006
G.Irish Wrote:Sijray21 Wrote:Apoc Wrote:how the eff do you delete a post?
the little [x] button :wink: - but it has to be the last post in the thread :wink:
Ah ha! An attempt to delete the evidence!
No I was trying to condense two posts into one and wanted to delete the first since I was quoting you in the second.
I think we've all learned today that RR owners have entitlement issues. :wink:
- Sijray21 - 06-12-2006
Apoc Wrote:Sijray21 Wrote:Apoc Wrote:I was talking about shoulder use in a car... but I suppose the example works just as well on a bike.
i think it's more acceptable on a bike (again) due to size. My main concern about people using the shoulder is if they were to break down or get into an accident or create another backed-up traffic lane as to not allow an emergency vehicle to pass safely. With a bike you can squeeze it inbetween cars or on the side if necessary to allow for a safe passage. With a car you cannot do this, there just simply not enough room grated everything else remain constant. Therefore i see it much worse if a car does this than a bike and it's again due to the relative sizes for each.
Not sure what that has to do it because the shoulder is designed for cars to stop when they do break down as to not block lanes of travel.
it's designed for both i guess, but i would consider an emergency vehicle getting to its destination much more important than one that is broken down unless the passengers of that vehicle need medical assistance, thus making the shoulder designed "more" for the emergency vehicle
Apoc Wrote:I think we've all learned today that RR owners have entitlement issues. :wink:
...sigh....again, an assumption. i would say that some people have similar thoughts and ideas, but i guess that's not what you were thinking
- .RJ - 06-12-2006
Sijray21 Wrote:it's designed for both i guess, but i would consider an emergency vehicle getting to its destination much more important than one that is broken down unless the passengers of that vehicle need medical assistance, thus making the shoulder designed "more" for the emergency vehicle
So what happens when you're riding down the shoulder because you're too hot in your leather jacket, and you come up on a car broken down with a flat tire, and there's an ambulance coming up behind you?
- G.Irish - 06-12-2006
Apoc Wrote:I think we've all learned today that RR owners have entitlement issues. :wink:
I think we've learned today that all non-RR owners have endowment issues
- Apoc - 06-12-2006
You're the one with an RR... I drive a lowly SVS.