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- Mike - 06-02-2005
Yelloa3GTI Wrote:just seems that an h22 would be more common of a swap if it were that easy to make the good power.
exactly. while it is easy to make good power with those motors, the install isn't as easy and parts are not as abundant.
- Mike - 06-02-2005
damnit458 Wrote:My original point was, even if I end up spending another 1.5-2k on the car, im still at the same point moneywise mike is, and I end up with the better motor 8)
opinions are like assholes
how come we don't see any H22 Honda Challenge cars if they are better? 
- Evan - 06-02-2005
There arent any NSX honda challenge cars either, so those must suck too.
- damnit458 - 06-02-2005
Mike Wrote:damnit458 Wrote:My original point was, even if I end up spending another 1.5-2k on the car, im still at the same point moneywise mike is, and I end up with the better motor 8)
opinions are like assholes
A good point. Thats the other reason I want to do it
not as common. Lol a not as common swap in the most common car out there. My logic even baffles me sometimes.
- G.Irish - 06-02-2005
Yeah I wouldn't use an amateur racing series as a metric of whether or not to use an engine. Most people in HC do zero testing and zero data collection so I wouldn't think too much of their opinions. In pro racing in the US there were very few H22's racing, probably as a result of the rules set. To my recollection there was only 2 series that allowed swapped Hondas (World Challenge and USTCC) and in WC I think the rules were written to only allow engines that came in the Civic in at least one of the other markets (so that meant B16 only).
In Japan there probably weren't many H22's racing because I think most of the series go by displacement limits and for the touring car classes the displacement limit tends to be 2.0L.
So yeah maybe the H22 would be a good option. If you're not trying to get crazy with power it will propel a Civic quite well on the street, track, or strip. With the weight distribution you could always move the seat back and get a steering wheel extender to help with that. Oh, and put the battery in the back.
- JohnC - 06-02-2005
G.Irish Wrote:With the weight distribution you could always move the seat back and get a steering wheel extender to help with that. Oh, and put the battery in the back.
Or a troupe of ballast midgets.
- Mike - 06-02-2005
Evan Wrote:There arent any NSX honda challenge cars either, so those must suck too.
Not suck, just not be great bangs for the buck.
- Evan - 06-02-2005
Mike Wrote:I disagree. An NSX can be had for 20-25k. many hatchcraps have much more money in them than that, make less power, and are less reliable.Evan Wrote:There arent any NSX honda challenge cars either, so those must suck too.
Not suck, just not be great bangs for the buck.
You could leave an NSX very close to stock and still win races in HC.
- Mike - 06-02-2005
Evan Wrote:Mike Wrote:I disagree. An NSX can be had for 20-25k. many hatchcraps have much more money in them than that, make less power, and are less reliable.Evan Wrote:There arent any NSX honda challenge cars either, so those must suck too.
Not suck, just not be great bangs for the buck.
You could leave an NSX very close to stock and still win races in HC.
all conjecture.
- Evan - 06-02-2005
no different from your h22 comment, and you know the numbers back my statement up anyway.
- Feersty - 06-02-2005
What class would NSX's race in Honda Challenge?
- Dave - 06-02-2005
H1
- .RJ - 06-02-2005
damnit458 Wrote:As stated above, its harder to make it work. But I am determined 8)
Still gonna get rolled by an 'teg with a stock LS motor
- .RJ - 06-02-2005
Mike Wrote:how come we don't see any H22 Honda Challenge cars if they are better?
Maybe you forgot about Corey's H1 prelude? 235 whp.... yeah, that'll roll.
H22 into an accord coupe - that would be some shit... if you can get the weight down, it would be pretty damn competitive I think.
- .RJ - 06-02-2005
3PBRIAR! w00t!
- WRXtranceformed - 06-02-2005
All this talk of engine swaps. You all need B00st!!!1!1
People who do engine swaps with the WRX are freakin insane. Most of them put custom built Crawford or Magnus 2.5L and I think 3.0L motors into them and put down crazy amounts of boosted all wheel horsepower. Along with that surely comes complete drivetrain and brake swaps as well, which is part of the reason why I say they're insane.
If you've ever seen videos of such cars doing AWD launches though, it truly is an amazing sight.
- Maengelito - 06-02-2005
WRXtranceformed Wrote:If you've ever seen videos of such cars doing AWD launches though, it truly is an amazing sight.
or if you've seen mcgeorge's sti launch at an autox which i'm pretty sure ripples the pavement as well as my colon.
- Evan - 06-02-2005
Rod McGeorge makes Maeng's anus ripple.
- Mike - 06-02-2005
Evan Wrote:no different from your h22 comment, and you know the numbers back my statement up anyway.
huh? what numbers? you have no numbers. where are the 25k+ h1 cars? it is conjecture to say a stockish nsx will destroy an swapped civic, we haven't seen it happen.
my numbers? there are no h22 powered civics racing in honda challenge.
- .RJ - 06-02-2005
Mike Wrote:where are the 25k+ h1 cars?
Nearly every car on the H1 grid, dumbass.
Quote:it is conjecture to say a stockish nsx will destroy an swapped civic, we haven't seen it happen.
Look at the numbers (power, weight, tire size, etc) and make a logical conclusion. I dont need first hand evidence that getting punched in the dick would hurt - I can figure it out on my own.
Quote:my numbers? there are no h22 powered civics racing in honda challenge.
Doesnt matter if its a civic or a odyssey, the minimum weight is by engine, not chassis for H1.