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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - ScottyB - 09-21-2015
what are the LSD options for your car? clutch, torsen, viscous?
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 09-21-2015
Yeah I could drop canards as they don't do a huge amount compared to a splitter, diffuser, and big wang. The problem is finding a company who wants to custom make one since no companies do it right now..
Edit: Scott, nothing are my options. They are either upgraded speed3 or first gen which I doubt would fit exact.. I can ask a fellow 2nd gen owner who looked into it in the past (one of the two people who are making aero for my car now)
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - D_Eclipse9916 - 09-21-2015
rherold9 Wrote:it halfway there.
No it's not :? Pretty far from "halfway there", but you won't know until after you have done everything.
rherold9 Wrote:The car is paid off. I know I wouldn't mind losing it. Be way cheaper than buying an actual race car for awhile too. I don't care if I ruin the car. This also fixes the issue of no competition in TTE.
Huh? PTE is pretty decent fields in MA.
I wouldn't suggest going down this path, but you have heard it multiple times; and sometimes people just don't want to listen. (been there done that).
As for your points, I see a ton of wasted points in aero. You are in HPDE 2, invest in another set of good tires, good brake pads, and keep on going. Invest in an AIM Solo 1st thing as well. Once you are within 7 seconds of your intended class' record, then look to optimize points, (and use the AIM to verify, don't go off video, estimates etc).
I am glad you are playing around with points, just trying to save you wasted $ that I have wasted in the past.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 09-21-2015
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:No it's not :? Pretty far from "halfway there", but you won't know until after you have done everything.
All I can really do is add those 235 "slicks" and drop some weight and I'm at max points in TTE and PTE (if the point system works the same way). Is that not halfway there? I guess I didn't think about adding more biting of pads, but other than that idk what else I could do?
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Huh? PTE is pretty decent fields in MA.
I wouldn't suggest going down this path, but you have heard it multiple times; and sometimes people just don't want to listen. (been there done that).
As for your points, I see a ton of wasted points in aero. You are in HPDE 2, invest in another set of good tires, good brake pads, and keep on going. Invest in an AIM Solo 1st thing as well. Once you are within 7 seconds of your intended class' record, then look to optimize points, (and use the AIM to verify, don't go off video, estimates etc).
I am glad you are playing around with points, just trying to save you wasted $ that I have wasted in the past.
I did not know it was. I'll be in Richmond for at least 2 years so my main focus would be tracks like Summit, VIR, and Dominion.
I know I'm only in 2. This is just future planning I just want to see what I can do with points that makes sense for multiple classes as you never know what will happen later. I plan on picking up RE-71R's. The annoyance of camber wear on a DD is there though as you can see in the pictures. Camber is perfect on the track maybe slightly more would be best. I'll invest in a track day set of pads and rotors. That's a good idea.
That makes sense though on waiting to optimize. I just like planning stuff to get an idea in mind.
What would be your recommendation on mods if I wanted to max out points then in TTD? (Don't say get a new car, I just want to see what you think since you say there are wasted points)....
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - CaptainHenreh - 09-21-2015
rherold9 Wrote:Edit: Scott, nothing are my options. They are either upgraded speed3 or first gen which I doubt would fit exact.. I can ask a fellow 2nd gen owner who looked into it in the past (one of the two people who are making aero for my car now)
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 09-21-2015
CaptainHenreh Wrote:rherold9 Wrote:Edit: Scott, nothing are my options. They are either upgraded speed3 or first gen which I doubt would fit exact.. I can ask a fellow 2nd gen owner who looked into it in the past (one of the two people who are making aero for my car now)
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I think that's for 1st gens. I've been told the transmissions are different between generations. I can always ask the actual manufacturer though. I wouldn't think every single one of their transmissions would be the same.... but you never know
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - CaptainHenreh - 09-21-2015
rherold9 Wrote:CaptainHenreh Wrote:rherold9 Wrote:Edit: Scott, nothing are my options. They are either upgraded speed3 or first gen which I doubt would fit exact.. I can ask a fellow 2nd gen owner who looked into it in the past (one of the two people who are making aero for my car now)
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I think that's for 1st gens. I've been told the transmissions are different between generations. I can always ask the actual manufacturer though. I wouldn't think every single one of their transmissions would be the same.... but you never know
If only there were, you know, someone you could ask? Some device that like, you could input a string of digits and it would, like, send your voice across a wire.
Some kind of tele...phonic gadget.
+1 909-569-4095
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - CaptainHenreh - 09-21-2015
I mean, bruh, if you wanna throw a bunch of goofy shit on your car to make it look like racecar so the bitches panties drop just say so. But if you can't drive for shit, aero makes your car slower. #fact
If you have an open diff your order of mods should be:
that nut behind the wheel
brake pads and tires
suspension
limited slip
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 09-21-2015
Yes, I know I said I would contact, but 1st gen and 2nd gen transmissions are different and no one has heard of a 2nd gen LSD being made yet unless it is for a speed3. A speed3 transmission will fit I think? But I'll have to ask the guy who attempted it what I need.
My plan was yup to make a bunch of aero for panties to drop. Like I said it is for future planning. The point of aero would be because I can't make anymore power out of this thing unless I build the engine or boost it and I can't fit any bigger of a tire unless I add flares it would make the car faster. I'm so cool.
This wasn't meant to be zomg I'm going to do this now!!!! I'm just going to put useless aero on my car when I don't even have the experience to put it to use yet. Everyone will love it...
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - Kaan - 09-21-2015
when is the turbo going in?
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - D_Eclipse9916 - 09-21-2015
Aero will be useless for the most part. Spend your extra points on either horsepower (which you said you can't do) or stickier tire (Hoosier A7). At your weight you dont even need anything more than a 225 A7. Modify Trans ratios? I dont know how bad yours is. LSD...ehh I don't know if it will help that much, but it would be worth it at some point. (assume A7s and weight of 2500 and hp of 150). I say drive it as is and just put really good tires/brake pads, and save for other things.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 09-21-2015
Kaan Wrote:when is the turbo going in?
Honestly been thinking about it. Would be the "cool" factor, but why make the car possibly more unreliable on the track? haha. Even though it would make the a whole hell of a lot more fun.
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Aero will be useless for the most part. Spend your extra points on either horsepower (which you said you can't do) or stickier tire (Hoosier A7). At your weight you dont even need anything more than a 225 A7. Modify Trans ratios? I dont know how bad yours is. LSD...ehh I don't know if it will help that much, but it would be worth it at some point. (assume A7s and weight of 2500 and hp of 150). I say drive it as is and just put really good tires/brake pads, and save for other things.
Alright, I'll give that a try and see where I'm at in points as well as keeping with good tires and pads. Sounds simple lol. My final drive ratio is a 4.11, already talked to Kaan about probably wanting to change this for a car with so little power and weight like mine.
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - Kaan - 09-21-2015
I've tried to be helpful and look up part numbers but Mazda uses the same part number for ALL the cases, all bearings, etc.
all cases, all years, 5 or 6 speed... part number 17100... anywhere from $198 to $498 lol. thats no fun at all.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 09-21-2015
Kaan Wrote:I've tried to be helpful and look up part numbers but Mazda uses the same part number for ALL the cases, all bearings, etc.
all cases, all years, 5 or 6 speed... part number 17100... anywhere from $198 to $498 lol. thats no fun at all.
Yeah it's pretty dumb. A lot of stuff is similar, but different.
Also, is it really only +14 to boost a car? +5 forced induction vehicle, +2 upgraded fuel injectors, +7 aftermarket intercooler,
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - Kaan - 09-21-2015
or you get a power to weight reclass.
which i think you have to do anywhere.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 09-21-2015
Kaan Wrote:or you get a power to weight reclass.
And I just realized max TTD weight-to-power is 14.25:1 which means I can only have 200hp at 2850 pounds. So sad. Many depress. Wow. Makes more sense why it is so little points now.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - Kaan - 09-21-2015
dem rules... just make it a huge flat 200hp/300ftlbs tune
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - rherold9 - 09-21-2015
Kaan Wrote:dem rules... just make it a huge flat 200hp/300ftlbs tune
Exactly. GTX28.. or GTX25.. on this 2.0 would be great hahaha. Call it the cheater car.
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Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - jbails39 - 09-21-2015
I will give you my smokey turbo for a good deal, problem is it would need a rebuild and it sucks.
Re: Project 2.Slow Mazda3 - ScottyB - 09-21-2015
rherold9 Wrote:Also, is it really only +14 to boost a car? +5 forced induction vehicle, +2 upgraded fuel injectors, +7 aftermarket intercooler,
don't forget the oil cooler you'll want, as well as the new fun cooling issues you're going to run into in hot weather which will necessitate lots of fun ducting and venting (does that fall under aero?). then the stress that extra power puts on a drivetrain (clutch, mounts?), and slowing down from higher speeds means more brake heat, more stress on wheel bearings.
i think that's why its "only" that amount, because they understand you're going to have to fortify everything else on the car to handle more power so the reality is a lot more points involved.