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The MM Network - Sijray21 - 11-27-2018
You can give more if you want. 2 weeks is just a guideline. I've given a prior employer 3 weeks since I had a lot on my slate and for knowledge transfer. I've also given less then 2 weeks.
RE: The MM Network - Apoc - 11-27-2018
(11-27-2018, 06:27 PM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: How much notice is "too much"?
No such thing, provided you don't fear retribution, but the difference between 2-3-4 weeks is pretty immaterial until you manage people and/or programs.
I've given six weeks. I've also told an employer I'm not coming back tomorrow. Now I'm in the mindset of "don't burn the bridge" cause you never know what's gonna happen down the line.
The MM Network - JPolen01 - 11-27-2018
2 weeks is reasonable. I don't think you need to give anything else unless you're in the middle of a huge project like others said. Even then 2 weeks is a good amount of time to transition your work to someone else and get them up to speed.
The MM Network - JustinG - 11-27-2018
Depends on how flexible the new employer is too. I'd work it to where I gave at least 2 weeks, got a week to dick around.
RE: The MM Network - Ryan T - 11-27-2018
2 weeks is fine, but if you can give more, do. I gave the state 7 weeks because my start date with the feds was so far out. That gave them time to hire someone else and give me a week with them to show them the ropes/get them settled in. They seemed to appreciate it. I think the more notice you can give the better, as long as that employer has been good to you.
RE: The MM Network - .RJ - 11-27-2018
Just rage quit
RE: The MM Network - Evan - 11-27-2018
(11-27-2018, 06:27 PM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: How much notice is "too much"? I'd like to give my current place more heads up whenever I plan to go since they need me, but I also feel like telling them a month out would be awkward and they could just dump me at any point?
Should I just stick with two weeks?
Give as much notice as you can afford to be walked out that day. Ive seen it happen.
2 weeks is plenty.
The MM Network - Sijray21 - 11-27-2018
Hell, our client gave an entire team 30+ people about 2 days notice. That was awkward as our team was fine and we shared a floor...
The MM Network - ViPER1313 - 11-28-2018
I’m with Evan here. You should never feel loyalty towards an employer; I guarantee your employer has none for you.
RE: The MM Network - G.Irish - 11-28-2018
2 weeks and don't even worry about it. If it entails a huge hardship for them to transition your knowledge in that time it probably means there's a lot of undocumented processes and that's usually their fault. If your company got into a financial bind they wouldn't think twice about laying you off with no notice, don't wring your hands over 2 weeks.
RE: The MM Network - D_Eclipse9916 - 11-28-2018
(11-27-2018, 11:02 PM)Evan Wrote:(11-27-2018, 06:27 PM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: How much notice is "too much"? I'd like to give my current place more heads up whenever I plan to go since they need me, but I also feel like telling them a month out would be awkward and they could just dump me at any point?
Should I just stick with two weeks?
Give as much notice as you can afford to be walked out that day. Ive seen it happen.
2 weeks is plenty.
I left a company after we spent about a month of discussing rolling off 30 people/ HR + the Partner insisted we not roll them off progressively or give them heads up.
We scheduled a meeting at 9AM and informed the people in the room they were getting rolled off and that they had 30 minutes to return to their desks and leave. They were given small comp packages but mostly just on their ass. I was told by HR that we couldn't say anythin as it was more likely to be an issue if we rolled them off slowly. I proceeded to look for a job immediately and was gone within 4 months.
Some of those people got burned, some people it was a godsend. One person I know had like $60k of student loans for her MBA through the company. They only forgave like $8k a year. Well they had to forgive her loans since they basically fired her, and she proceeded to find a higher paying job that week. Wiped that $60k clean and more money, win.
RE: The MM Network - Apoc - 11-28-2018
AOL paid 100% of my $40k masters degree and laid me off two weeks after I graduated.
RE: The MM Network - Jake - 11-28-2018
I gave two weeks for the most part, although when I left my last job they technically got two days. I told my direct manager (who was cool) about 10 days in advance, but told him I feared upper management (who were dicks) would pull my bonus or fire me to avoid paying it out if they knew I was leaving. He was fine with it and everything went to plan. Don't miss working there at all aside from him.
RE: The MM Network - Evan - 11-28-2018
(11-28-2018, 11:12 AM)Apoc Wrote: AOL paid 100% of my $40k masters degree and laid me off two weeks after I graduated.
Graduation Gift: Not having to work at AOL anymore!
If you plan on giving less than 2 weeks notice make sure you read your employment agreement first.
I worked at a job who would not pay out your vacation balance unless you gave 2+ weeks official written notice.
RE: The MM Network - Jake - 11-29-2018
I love how almost everyone over the age of 25 has worked for AOL in some capacity over the years, and nobody seems to have a super-positive story.
I remember liking the bright colors in the office and the food in the cafe was pretty decent. Otherwise, not much loss to not be there anymore. I have one developer ex-colleague who's been there for like 17 years or something. I hope he's sitting on a ton of shares because the work environment and constant threat of layoffs didn't make long-term worth it when Joey and I were there.
RE: The MM Network - Apoc - 11-29-2018
On the whole, it was one of my better employers. Yeah, I got laid off, but I also got promoted twice in five years, a free master's degree, and they gave me every other Friday off for class. The problem I eventually ran into is the constant feat of layoffs encouraged people to do little else but try and justify their existence. It wasn't always like that and those times were pretty great, but ultimately it being a dying business poisoned everything. I think I remember warning you and Joey about it... sad things didn't change after I left.
RE: The MM Network - Jake - 11-29-2018
Yeah, we both experienced the constant fear of being laid off. It happened quarterly and Joey unfortunately ended up victim to it. I left shortly after. I remember finding out about his departure (among a lot of others on that day) and then hearing that one of my closer coworkers had been laid off over the phone while she was on vacation with her family.
AOL was a very, very shitty culture masked by corporate parties, jeans and a keg-on-a-cart that came around on some Fridays. I spent the next couple of years at my next company still living/working in fear of being laid off, because of how I was conditioned at my first full-time gig as "that's how it is."
RE: The MM Network - Senor_Taylor - 12-03-2018
So, my team in HQ consists of 6 level 1 engineers(Of which I'm most senior),4 or so mid level engineers, 6 or so leads, 3 managers.
Since I started, we have now lost 6 engineers due to leaving because of stress reasons (3), money reasons/work life/ compensation reasons (3). They have not been able to hire any replacements either.
I know personally one other engineer that plans to leave.
The writing is on the wall.
RE: The MM Network - .RJ - 12-03-2018
(12-03-2018, 10:38 AM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: The writing is on the wall.
For what? Your support team/structure isnt going anywhere.
You can either stew in the misery of the team, you can work to change the situation, or you can leave. If you think the issue is a deeper rooted cultural issue (which is a boogeyman) then the easiest thing to do is find work elsewhere, either in the company our outside. Sometimes its not worth the squeeze to fight that yourself.
RE: The MM Network - Evan - 12-03-2018
Thats not a unique situation. Turnover right now in the industry is the highest I've ever seen it. Salaries and bill rates are up across the board so people are jumping ship to get raises.
Right now Im making sure that my developers are getting nice out of cycle raises to keep up with the market. Most companies dont do that and will underpay people until they leave.