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- ScottyB - 11-12-2007
jongp3 Wrote:I guess what it boils down to, is a turbo car is more maintenance and less MPG on Premium gas only. :roll:
exactly. some people just want to cruise around with a torquey, less dramatic engine.
if my A4 was a V6 i'd probably still be driving it today, because of maintainance being so much less than the 1.8T
- Evan - 11-12-2007
.RJ Wrote:the Z is a 2 seater, heavy, fugly, and a lot more than 25kCaptainHenreh Wrote:Please point me to the Nissan RWD turbo coupe (for under 20k) sold in the US in the past 5 years.
287hp, $26k (MSRP for base), 3100 lbs for the 350z. The title of the thread is "$25k 300hp RWD coupe".
I find it funny that all of a sudden everyone's all up on Hyundai's nuts for bringing a car like this to market when one's already available with a proven (and great sounding!) engine and build quality.
Just sayin'.
if the hyundai can do better in any of those aspects (and looks like it already has the Z trounced in at least 3) then its definately noteworthy.
- .RJ - 11-12-2007
Evan Wrote:the Z is a 2 seater, heavy, fugly, and a lot more than 25k
No reason you couldnt get one a little off MSRP and land it at pretty close to $25k brand new.
Looks are subjective, so hardly a fair comparison - I think it looks a ton better than the hyundai thing.
:dunno:
- ScottyB - 11-12-2007
Evan Wrote:the Z is a 2 seater, heavy, fugly, and a lot more than 25k
if the hyundai can do better in any of those aspects (and looks like it already has the Z trounced in at least 3) then its definately noteworthy.
+ the insane hyundai warranty. although truth be told i'm not up to speed on the competition's warrantys.
- Steve85 - 11-12-2007
I like it, kind of a lot really.
It would be nice to see the good motors available on a stripper model. Maybe not sitting in a showroom, but at least available for order. I think that would make it a very popular option for the import racing crowd. That kind of thing can improve the reputation and respect for all models.
- .RJ - 11-12-2007
Steve85 Wrote:That kind of thing can improve the reputation and respect for all models.
Because its not how you stand by your car.
- Goodspeed - 11-12-2007
Hee....Hee un day
Hun day
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Nope, not buying it. I've always had a sharp, painful distaste for anything Hyundai.
Normally I'm not the name recognition-type douchebag (i.e. BMW being cool 'cause its a BMW), but I cannot and will not get over the name, or word, that is Hyundai. Its just too weird of a brand name for me to consider their product. And I can guarantee you that has been their biggest hurdle in the American market.
I'd take a Nissan 350Z, or Ford Mustang over that any day of the week, and I'd gladly pay a few thousand dollars more if for no other reason than to not drive something called a Hee...Hund...forget it.
Edit: Plus I think that car is ugly and the wheels look like bargain aftermarket wheels from 1997
- Evan - 11-12-2007
.RJ Wrote:thanks capn'. Same logic applies to this car (in fact you can probably get a hyundai for more of a discount) which is why you compare according to msrp.Evan Wrote:the Z is a 2 seater, heavy, fugly, and a lot more than 25k
No reason you couldnt get one a little off MSRP and land it at pretty close to $25k brand new.
Looks are subjective, so hardly a fair comparison - I think it looks a ton better than the hyundai thing.
:dunno:
the 2seater vs 4seater is a pretty big difference anyway, they are different markets. This would be compared more to a g35 coupe than a z.
im with goodspeed though, hyundai really needs another brand for its better cars. Stick the shitboxes under hyundai and all the cars that are supposed to not suck in another brand.
- Apoc - 11-12-2007
I don't know... I don't think Hyundai is really that much different than Toyota or Honda. I mean they all sound kinda funny, we're just used to the other ones 'cause they've been around for 30 years.
- Goodspeed - 11-12-2007
Apoc Wrote:I don't know... I don't think Hyundai is really that much different than Toyota or Honda. I mean they all sound kinda funny, we're just used to the other ones 'cause they've been around for 30 years.
Toyota and Honda have been established for decades in the US, always providing quality cars whereas Hyundai came here in the 80's with tragic automobiles for most of its life. Also, Toyota and Honda have branched off with their own luxury brands (Lexus and Acura) and have established themselves in that respect as well.
I dunno, I feel for Hyundai...they're the (relatively) new kid on the block trying to free itself from its shitty stigma. Personally I don't think this can be done and I'd prefer it if they'd stop trying and just sort of go away. I don't see how anyone would buy this car without knowing that they'd come off as a cheap ass trying to look cool in their 335i wannabe.
Everyone's gotta start somewhere I guess, so I'll just sit back and watch what happens.
- WRXtranceformed - 11-12-2007
G.Irish Wrote:That's the exact point I was trying to make. Thanks G =)CaptainHenreh Wrote:Psssh, that was not an article. That was a post on autoblog (who rarely writes their own articles) about a post on a web forum. Not too credible IMO.G.Irish Wrote::?: The Hyundai is not turbo-charged and is not going to be under $20k.
G. Not being able to read TFA Wrote:According to the info given, the Coupe would have two engine options, a 2.0L turbo with 215HP and 217 ft-lbs of torque, or a 3.8LV6 with 300HP and 280 ft-lbs. Prices were given as $19,900 for the 4 or $25,900 for the V6.
To be honest I don't see why Hyundai would bother with a big V6 if they had a turbo motor. Why not just save the money and put the engineering resources into getting 300 hp out of the turbo-4?
Maybe those power figures are true, who knows, but the article is so vague. "Oh, we got these pictures from Johnny Bravo who got them from some guy, and the info we got from the guy was that the car will have a turbocharged W16 VTEC MIVEC engine with 1100 hp"
- CaptainHenreh - 11-13-2007
Well, of course it's like that. G, you can't say "Oh, it's not going to be turbocharged or under 20k, because the "article" is too vague" when you've got nothing more substantial to go on.
The reason it's credible to have two engine options (and believe me, I'd be AOK with an N/A 2.0 4) is that:
A: Hyundai does some silly things sometimes. The Tiburon GT was available with a 4 speed auto, a 5 speed manual, or a Six speed manual. Whichever you wanted. To be honest, I don't see why Hyundai would bother with a 5 speed if they had a six speed. Why not just save money and put the engineering resources into the six speed?
B: Obviously, a turbo four is no good for their "Genesis" luxo-thingie, but if the six will fit (which they've already paid for with Genesis platform development) then Hyundai's crazy enough to say "Eh, we'll put them both in there for S&G". Again, I point to the Tiburon. Now, it wasn't a turbo four, but it did have a 4 cyl and V6 option. If it was their sports coupe, why bother doing all the engineering for 2 engines?
C: A turbo four rather than a big na six will get them in big with the SCC/F&F crowd. Like, huge. Hyundai's got money to spare, and the Tiburon has always been the AutoMedia's favorite Korean car. Plus, maybe they've been reading web forums, begging the auto manufacturers for a small RWD Coupe. I mean, it's frickin' crazy for Hyundai to have a RWD coupe at all, why not a turbo four? Why not a rotary with pistons and headers?
D: Finally, the base model has to be under 20 grand or it won't sell. Period. Secretaries will buy the 15k Tiburon first, because they don't care about RWD.
- HAULN-SS - 11-13-2007
Goodspeed Wrote:Toyota and Honda have been established for decades in the US, always providing quality cars
oh puhleasseee. Having an unnatural obsession with one particular car, which also has a ridiculous name, does not mean that they have been here ALWAYS providing quality cars. Not to mention, if I am not mistaken, Toyota still holds the record for largest recall on record in the U.S.
- Andy - 11-13-2007
The name brand thing is retarded. Subaru has quietly and successfully moved upmarket without a separate brand. Hyundai can't afford to do that. Lexus and Acura didn't come about until the 4th decade of their respective parent companies arrival in the US.
Toyota and Honda orginally arrived to these shores with tiny econo-shit boxes with lawnmower engines. I drove a Honda 600 and it was terrible. It had a 2 stroke motor for god's sake.
*edit* I don't see why a brand can't evolve. For example, Caddillacs were cool then they became old people cars and now they're cool again.
The brand evolution that I enjoy the most is VW. Originally the pride and joy of Hitler then the symbol of peace and dirty hippies everywhere and now, driven exclusive by yuppies.
- Maengelito - 11-13-2007
Goodspeed Wrote:Normally I'm not the name recognition-type douchebag
toyota SUPRA. goodspeed, go clean your shorts.
i dont think this is a bad move at all. they've already got a V6 motor that is in the tiburon (which i dont think looks like a bad car at all. the first one was atrocious, but so do most car's first and/or outdated models). i'm not sure if its the same one, but their V6 is prevalent in all their other models as well. hyundai is relatively new to the US market, but they've been around for quite some time in korea. my grandfather actually made a name for himself by selling continental pistons and other motor parts to the korean army for use in their tanks. mitsubishi heavy industries makes tanks for the japanese self defense force and fuji heavy industries (subaru) makes airplanes. they've been around for as long if not longer than honda and toyota, they just havent been to the US shores as long. i think hyundai's been doin pretty good for themselves turning their company around in the last 10 years in the US and they havent had any spectacular models. maybe this could be a specialized niche that they wanna concentrate on to garner more support in the long run. regardless, there's nothing wrong with a little competition to up the ante for everyone.
- Ginger - 11-13-2007
+1 on Brand Ignorance
Toyota and Honda didn't exactly come to America and provide great cars right off the bat. Look to some older folks that bought first, second, third generation Hondas, for example, and not many will have good things to say about them. I used to work with a man who had done exactly that and he would not buy a Honda to this day... you could call that ignorance of brand development, but if you call ignoring evolution a pot shot, then so is ignoring origin.
I seriously doubt Hyundai's biggest American selling problem is in the name. It's no more funny sounding than Toyota, Subaru, or Audi. It doesn't give the consumer much credit, either, saying that they can't learn when a company produces a good product. Given brand separation, anyway, you're not buying an Acura because that's where Honda put all the 'good' cars so as to remove the poison from their factory original name. If you don't like them because you drove one, or remember, one of their cars and it was a turdbox and you don't want to give it a second chance... just say so.
- Maengelito - 11-13-2007
Andy Wrote:The brand evolution that I enjoy the most is VW. Originally the pride and joy of Hitler then the symbol of peace and dirty hippies everywhere and now, driven exclusive by yuppies.
lol, its the hippies that realized that they needed to stop going to burning man and war protests and get real jobs so they can, ya know, live.
- Apoc - 11-13-2007
asteele2 Wrote:Toyota and Honda didn't exactly come to America and provide great cars right off the bat. Look to some older folks that bought first, second, third generation Hondas, for example, and not many will have good things to say about them.
I like when someone types my response for me.
- Evan - 11-13-2007
Andy Wrote:The brand evolution that I enjoy the most is VW. Originally the pride and joy of Hitler then the symbol of peace and dirty hippies everywhere and now, driven exclusive by yuppies.yeah that cracks me up too. Its always fun to point out VW's Nazi roots to the Jewish American Princesses driving Jettas.
- Apoc - 11-13-2007
Well what about BMW making engines for the Luftwaffe and the subsequent production ban imposed by the Allies after the war?