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- .RJ - 06-27-2007
BLINGMW Wrote:But the 550 is like, a REAL big truck.
Chad's a real big redneck? :dunno:
- white_2kgt - 06-27-2007
BLINGMW Wrote:I was actually not aware of that! But the 550 is like, a REAL BIG truck.
yea I know
That's why I'm stuck drooling over the 450's Probably going to go have a look in a few months. I'd like to pickup one used since Ford isn't giving real big rebates on them right now, so might have to hold off another year.
- Dave - 06-27-2007
wow, was not expecting to be at 2 pages already :-). I'm kinda happy that I can go ahead and eliminate the new Tundra. I think it could pull it off, but it'd be a stretch. Not to mention that I'm not crazy about dropping 40k for something I know I don't want to DD. Don't worry Chan, I've been thinking on this a long time.
As I said before, I really wasn't even considering a gasser, so I'm glad everybody agrees and is on the same page. I'm also feeling that the dually would be overkill, as well as a pain in the ass. I don't want a 4-door cab, I really like the extended cab like on RJ and Pete's truck, although I can't decide on the short or long bed, as I must say I really like my 8-ft bed sometimes. What about the option of auto or manual? The idea of the van is cool, I'll look into that.
I like the 7.0 option, as it will be on a slightly older truck and therefore cheaper. Being that it's more better, it won't be so hard to convince Linds to get a slightly older one. What did the Ford 7.3 come in?
What would be the difference between a 250 and 350?
Current definites:
-diesel
-no dually
-extended, not double, cab
Options and considerations:
-short or long bed
-250, 350
-Ford 7.0, Ford 7.3
-van or truck body
Give me more feedback on the Dodge and GM options. Continue discussion!
- Evan - 06-27-2007
my 6.5' bed has never left me wanting more. In fact I always have space left over even with 2 sets of tires, tools, bike, etc.
an extended cab + long bed is a looooooong truck and is going to be even bigger of a MF'er to park and maneuver.
- BLINGMW - 06-27-2007
Dave Wrote:-van or truck body
I really like the idea of an ambulance as a tow vehicle:
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Seems like it would be perfect. I'm sure there are less-old ones out there, don't really know where you get them though. Auctions?
- white_2kgt - 06-27-2007
Sorry dave, when I said 7l I mean 7.3l.
Difference in 250 and 350 really depends on the years. For a gross generalization it's GVW. So basically if you just plan on a tag along trailer the 250 would be fine. If you go 5th wheel you can have a greater tongue weight w/ the 350. Getting a little more deeper in the differences some years had better axles in the 350, sometimes there no change (other than GVW). The price difference between the two is generally very little, so if given the option, just get the 350.
Personally I'd get the extended size doors (bigger than Petes/RJ) and go short bed. This will give you more 'inside' space yet the bed is plenty big to haul crap. I hate vans. Really limits your options for hauling (can't get a dump load of gravel/mulch) and towing (no 5th wheel).
- HAULN-SS - 06-27-2007
Good luck finding an extended cab long bed truck! My dads last two trucks (04 and 06) have had to be special ordered to get that combination..and actually, by 06, you couldnt get an extended cab anymore. Suicide doors suck ass for getting in and out of if you're going to do much people hauling..at least the ones before the door opened all the way. If you parked next to a car you were trapped trying to get out of the back. Full size doors in the back are much better...and I don't know about the new fords and such, but GM wont even make a custom long bed full size extended cab anymore..and the used ones are pretty hard to find. A long bed is the way to go though! That extra 2 feet is well worth it!
- Evan - 06-27-2007
extended cabs with the suicide doors and fold up seats are MUCH better if you carry stuff in the back seat more often than people.
- HAULN-SS - 06-27-2007
The seats fold flat in the full size extended cabs...it's a good amount of space, probably as many cubic feet because it's wider.
- Dave - 06-27-2007
I don't do much people hauling, so the full size 2nd door isn't reallynecessary; extended cab is perfect, though I won't turn down the larger backseat if it's close to the same price and looks as usable.
Really, the shorter bed really is probably all I need, and will probably serve to be more common, better manueverability, and just as practical. I'd just be worried about losing wheelbase and the trailer telling the truck what to do.
Current definites:
-diesel
-250 good, 350 better, neither is a deal breaker
-no dually
-shorter bed
Options and considerations:
-extended vs. double cab
-Ford 7.3
-van or truck body
Chan, I agree on the ambulance, and a "short bus" would also be very cool. I've even convinced Linds on the "short bus", but I think I want to deal with that project later and just want a truck for now.
- WRXtranceformed - 06-27-2007
What's all this Linds convincing talk? Are you guys engaged? I inferred that you'll be towing her race car too, but I'm just curious why she's influencing your decision of which truck you're buying... unless you're both going in together.
- .RJ - 06-27-2007
Maybe Linds convinced him that old n' busted isnt the way to roll anymore?
- WRXtranceformed - 06-27-2007
.RJ Wrote:Maybe Linds convinced him that old n' busted isnt the way to roll anymore?God bless a good woman! :wink:
- Dave - 06-27-2007
haha. It's easier to appease her now than hear about it later :-). Yeah, the assumption is correct that I plan on towing her car to the track as well as mine, as it would be dumb to have 2 trucks and 2 trailers. Our current truck will work for 1 car, and it has LOADS of character, but once I have a full-time track car it will be totally obsolete for my purposes.
For the record, old n' busted will always personify me :-).
- Dave - 06-28-2007
so. I'm really feeling the Ford 7.3 so far. Chad, do you know what the actual manufacturer for this is (Navistar, International, etc.)? It appears the 7.3 was actually available for a pretty long time (is there a reason for the '01-'02 recommendation, aside from being newer)
Anybody have any input on the Cummins/Dodges or GMs?
How is the 7.3 so much better than the newer Fords? Any recommendation on place I should look for reviews comparing these? There's so many forums and such, I just want a good analysis of the older truck against the newer and a good spec sheet of the two performance-wise. I'm slowly searching, but nudges in the right direction are very helpful.
- .RJ - 06-28-2007
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Supposedly everything you ever want to know. I'd love a diesel, but I dont need anything bigger. If Ford or Toyota would get their shit together and put a diesel in a 1/2 ton truck I'd be all over that.
- white_2kgt - 06-28-2007
Dave Wrote:so. I'm really feeling the Ford 7.3 so far. Chad, do you know what the actual manufacturer for this is (Navistar, International, etc.)? It appears the 7.3 was actually available for a pretty long time (is there a reason for the '01-'02 recommendation, aside from being newer)
Anybody have any input on the Cummins/Dodges or GMs?
How is the 7.3 so much better than the newer Fords? Any recommendation on place I should look for reviews comparing these? There's so many forums and such, I just want a good analysis of the older truck against the newer and a good spec sheet of the two performance-wise. I'm slowly searching, but nudges in the right direction are very helpful.
Navistar made the 7.3. It just had much fewer problems than a 6L and was widely considered to be a 'stronger', 'better' engine. The 01-02 was just the 'newest/less busted' years since you originally said you wanted an 03 or up. Yes the 7.3 came in lots to stuff and was around a long time hence why it was a 'better' engine. They got most of the bugs worked out by 01-02.
The Cummins engines are great, if you can get by looking at an ugly dodge all day, personally I can't so I won't own anything w/ a Cummins engine in it unless it's wrapped in a Ford body. GM just has no appeal. The engine's are no better than the fords and the interior's/fit finish just isn't there, they look like lego toys to me at least, but if you can live w/ it I'm sure it would be fine. Just go look at a 00-04 GM and you will see what I'm talking about, no class.
- Dave - 06-28-2007
I'll have to look around the dieselstop a bit.
I figured you recommended the 01-02 b/c the bugs were fixed and it would be newest, just wanted to make sure. It's also the most powerful :-).
I really can't look at the dodges and that generation of the superdoody looks freakin badass, so that is really where' I'm leaning. I feel you on the GMs, I sat it my dad's brand-new 07 Sierra and the quality just didn't feel there, although it was pretty nice (fresher than my 93 240sx with 140k on it :-) ). I can only imagine what I'll think of an older one.
Now to go and sit in a few F250s and 350s and determine my body style and price range.
How does the 7.3 like mods? :twisted:
- .RJ - 06-28-2007
Dave Wrote:How does the 7.3 like mods? :twisted:
You can get one of those little magic boxes for an extra 100hp or so
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*ahem*
I'll go get it with you
- PDenbigh - 06-28-2007
Oooo, Banks toys. Blackforest, the Grand-Am guys I crewed with last year, used a F-350 Dulley with a Banks kit to pull a fully loaded 53' (same length as a semi) trailer all around the nation. (usually had a car plus enough parts to rebuild another 2 cars) They put airbags in the rear suspension too. They said it did great and they set cruise at 65 anywhere they wanted to go.