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- Apoc - 12-06-2006
If you're looking for AS (and those aren't) I swear by the Michelin Pilot Sport AS.
- mrbaggio - 12-07-2006
The tires I got are summer only. I am pretty happy with them so far. I have been ripping around Tyson's and they have tons of grip. No excessive noise. Decent ride comfort.
- Apoc - 12-07-2006
mrbaggio Wrote:The tires I got are summer only.
Seems like a good choice... what with summer in full swing and all.
- mrbaggio - 12-07-2006
It hardly snows here. All seasons tires are a waste. Why settle for mediocrity in all conditions when you can excel in two and just not drive in the third. (dry, wet, snow)
- Apoc - 12-07-2006
You're clearly not well versed in the AS tires of today. You think a summer tire is better in the wet than an AS? Wow...
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You'll notice that the dry and wet ratings for the Pilot AS are higher. Now they are more expensive than the summer tires, but so are other "ultra high performance" summer tires. In any event, AS aren't the crap all year round you claim them to be but have fun staying at home when it snows.
- mrbaggio - 12-07-2006
Nice try. Why don't you compare like tires? The AS tires you listed cost an average of $50 more than my tires. The cheapest being only $20 more, and still not preforming as well as mine.
I will be the one throwing snowballs at your car on my day off from work.
- Apoc - 12-07-2006
mrbaggio Wrote:Nice try. Why don't you compare like tires? The AS tires you listed cost an average of $50 more than my tires. The cheapest being only $20 more, and still not preforming as well as mine.
I will be the one throwing snowballs at your car on my day off from work.
$200 + snow driving > throwing snowballs
Good luck throwing one fast enough to catch me on uberl33t tir3$!
Either way, my point was not all AS tires suck and some suck even less than the summer tires you have. You pay for what you get, regardless of seasonal design.
- PDenbigh - 12-07-2006
Apoc Wrote:mrbaggio Wrote:Nice try. Why don't you compare like tires? The AS tires you listed cost an average of $50 more than my tires. The cheapest being only $20 more, and still not preforming as well as mine.
I will be the one throwing snowballs at your car on my day off from work.
$200 + snow driving > throwing snowballs
Good luck throwing one fast enough to catch me on uberl33t tir3$!
Either way, my point was not all AS tires suck and some suck even less than the summer tires you have. You pay for what you get, regardless of seasonal design.
Why do you alwasy shit up threads man? Can't you leave well enough alone and just keep quiet? This latest post is downright insulting, re, "some suck even less than the summer tires you have."
He spent nearly zero on these tires, likes them, and thus accomplished his origional goal. So get off your soap box.
- Apoc - 12-07-2006
PDenbigh Wrote:[Why do you alwasy shit up threads man? Can't you leave well enough alone and just keep quiet? This latest post is downright insulting, re, "some suck even less than the summer tires you have."
He spent nearly zero on these tires, likes them, and thus accomplished his origional goal. So get off your soap box.
Sorry... I forgot my [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags. I'm new to this interweb thing.
- Mike - 12-07-2006
you need to work on your sarcasm if that's what that was intended as.
- Sijray21 - 12-07-2006
Mike Wrote:you need to work on your sarcasm if that's what that was intended as.
lol +1
but i'm completely with Bagg on the AS tire issue - i've driven in snow with the Kumho Ecsta-712's with a few very minor issues and they're summer tires. I'm not planning on getting AS's unless they're performing just as well with about the same amount of tread life and they're cheaper in price.
- .RJ - 12-07-2006
I havent owned a car long enough to replace tires in like 5 years
- Sijray21 - 12-07-2006
Apoc Wrote:You pay for what you get, regardless of seasonal design.
strongly disagree:
Michlen XGT4 AS - $130/ea (way back when)
vs
Kumho Ecsta 712 - $52/ea (way back when)
(3 sets of the 712's as well) and they were much better performing in every way other than snow and treadlife. They were about equal in the snow and treadlife.
.RJ Wrote:I havent owned a car long enough to replace tires in like 5 years
plus you always buy used tires anyway
- CaptainHenreh - 12-08-2006
.RJ Wrote:I havent owned a car long enough to replace tires in like 5 years
+1
The only car I've ever bought tires for was Julie's cars.
- Apoc - 12-08-2006
Mike Wrote:you need to work on your sarcasm if that's what that was intended as.
Fair enough... although everything I say should be assumed as sarcasm unless otherwise noted.
He said AS suck so based on the Tirerack rating, they suck less than his. I'm not elitest enough to actually think his tires just plain suck.
Sijray21 Wrote:Apoc Wrote:You pay for what you get, regardless of seasonal design.
Michlen XGT4 AS - $130/ea (way back when)
vs
Kumho Ecsta 712 - $52/ea (way back when)
(3 sets of the 712's as well) and they were much better performing in every way other than snow and treadlife. They were about equal in the snow and treadlife.
FWIW, the XGT4 were the "entry-level" AS Michelin tire. You're right about the pricing, in that case you are paying for, but I'm not sure I agree those tires are even a valid comparison because they don't make them any more. You'll notice I said AS of today... as I think they've made dramtic improvements over dry performance and tread life over the last 5 years. Having no experience with the newest version of the XGT (Z)4 I can only say that it rates on par with the Kumhos.
Anecdotally, my mom had Pilot Sport (non-AS) on her V8 A6 and slid right though a stop sign in a half inch of snow so not all summer tires perform "good enough" in wintry conditions.
.RJ Wrote:I havent owned a car long enough to replace tires in like 5 years
My last two cars I've bought in what I consider the "moderate usage" stage of it's life so I've ended up replacing the OEMs on both. I never seem to keep the car long enough to use up what I buy though.
- BLINGMW - 12-08-2006
Sijray21 Wrote:i've driven in snow with the Kumho Ecsta-712's with a few very minor issues and they're summer tires.
haha really? I had some of those on a my 325 years ago and they were miserable! I had to dig two DRY trenches all the way up my parents driveway before I could get that poor thing out! :lol: And the rest of our cars of course had no problem getting in and out when it was still covered with snow (of course they were FWD's on all seaons though). And I got it stuck once over at Jess' parents place and she and her mom had to push my car off a nearly flat surface. Embarassing. :roll:
- Andy - 12-08-2006
AS tires might be helpful in the Valley but does it snow hard enough/long enough to really worry about driving in the snow. Most of the time, the roads are plowed before I'm awake and if it isn't, work from home or play hookie.
- Apoc - 12-08-2006
Andy Wrote:AS tires might be helpful in the Valley but does it snow hard enough/long enough to really worry about driving in the snow. Most of the time, the roads are plowed before I'm awake and if it isn't, work from home or play hookie.
I don't worry about it per se. I'm certainly not one of those people who feels like I need an SUV, with 4WD low and studded tires to get around Nova... I just like to actually drive in the stuff. I guess I'm different in that the first thing I do as soon as any snow starts to accumulate is go out for a drive and I want something that will support my habit. Hell, I'll drive to the grocery store to buy a quart of milk just as an excuse to go out in the stuff.
- Mike - 12-08-2006
Sijray21 Wrote:Apoc Wrote:You pay for what you get, regardless of seasonal design.
strongly disagree:
Michlen XGT4 AS - $130/ea (way back when)
vs
Kumho Ecsta 712 - $52/ea (way back when)
(3 sets of the 712's as well) and they were much better performing in every way other than snow and treadlife. They were about equal in the snow and treadlife.
.RJ Wrote:I havent owned a car long enough to replace tires in like 5 years
plus you always buy used tires anyway
you're high... i had 711s (same rubber, more all-season friendly tread design) and they sucked ass.
- BLINGMW - 12-08-2006
Mike Wrote:you're high... i had 711s (same rubber, more all-season friendly tread design) and they sucked ass.
I must have been too, because I liked my 712's (other than snow obviously). So did GRM. Unlike a lot of street tires, they actually get sticky when hot and don't fall apart, and they made a great track/street tire for me.
Personally I agree that Kumho (and Falken) have proven that you do NOT get what you pay for when it comes to tires. IMHO, most of what you pay for is the name, and the names that have been around forever (like Michelin, Bridgestone) charge a whole lot for it.