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- .RJ - 09-15-2006
Beerfest, huh?
- Ginger - 09-15-2006
MotoGP has always had traction control:
Kevin Schwantz Wrote:You knew that if you kept pushing the thing would snap and you wouldnÔÇÖt always catch it. Our traction control was kinda how much your last crash was still hurting you.
- stevegula - 09-15-2006
G.Irish Wrote:And I'd rather see the championship decided on track rather than "Who highsided the least hard".
Highsides don't take place on the track?
Not crashing is as much a part of this sport as winning. That's how someone like Hayden can be leading the points without ever hanging it out in a race.
You can't pretend for a second that there's a point race because Hayden and Pedrosa have been that good this season and not because Rossi had such a string of bad luck early in the season.
- Ginger - 09-15-2006
stevegula Wrote:G.Irish Wrote:And I'd rather see the championship decided on track rather than "Who highsided the least hard".
You can't pretend for a second that there's a point race because Hayden and Pedrosa have been that good this season and not because Rossi had such a string of bad luck early in the season.
That happened on track, too.
Rossi can't blame his entire 2/3 season on "bad luck".
- .RJ - 09-15-2006
Well, thats how championships are won and thats why there are points with diminishing returns for finishing order.
If you want to win the championship, you cant fall off a lot and you have to be consistently at the pointy end of the grid. I'm not sure whats not to understand about that......
Look at schwantz - he had as many wins as Rainey did when they were battling, but he fell off too much and did not finish a lot of races, so he did not win the championship until Rainey got hurt.
- stevegula - 09-15-2006
asteele2 Wrote:MotoGP has always had traction control:
Kevin Schwantz Wrote:You knew that if you kept pushing the thing would snap and you wouldnÔÇÖt always catch it. Our traction control was kinda how much your last crash was still hurting you.
That's my point. Traction Control should be your right wrist, not a computer.
Atleast KRJR agrees with me
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.RJ Wrote:If you want to win the championship, you cant fall off a lot and you have to be consistently at the pointy end of the grid. I'm not sure whats not to understand about that......
That's my point, and why I disagree with TC. Riding incorrectly should be as important as riding correctly. Making bikes that compensate for a rider's inabilities will only diminish the quality of the racing because it will mean "subpar" (and I use that term loosely since we are talking about MotoGP) riders won't be punished for their mistakes. Whether that punishment be sliding (which means lost time for that lap) or highsiding.
- .RJ - 09-15-2006
asteele2 Wrote:Rossi can't blame his entire 2/3 season on "bad luck".
If he had won at LeMans he'd be leading the points race now.
But thats all part of the championship... the team, the bike, the rider... they all have to be working well, all year long.
- .RJ - 09-15-2006
stevegula Wrote:That's my point. Traction Control should be your right wrist, not a computer.
We already had a thread about that here....
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But at any rate, it is what it is now. The best riders/teams will be up front no matter what the rules are.
- Ginger - 09-15-2006
.RJ Wrote:asteele2 Wrote:Rossi can't blame his entire 2/3 season on "bad luck".
But thats all part of the championship... the team, the bike, the rider... they all have to be working well, all year long.
Exactly.
- Ginger - 09-15-2006
stevegula Wrote:That's my point. Traction Control should be your right wrist, not a computer.
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That's my point, and why I disagree with TC. Riding incorrectly should be as important as riding correctly. Making bikes that compensate for a rider's inabilities will only diminish the quality of the racing because it will mean "subpar" (and I use that term loosely since we are talking about MotoGP) riders won't be punished for their mistakes. Whether that punishment be sliding (which means lost time for that lap) or highsiding.
That's all pretty normative stuff.
On your token you've got rider ability, on the TC token, there's team, and builder ability... what ought to be? Who gives a fuck. One rulebook, go racing.
- .RJ - 09-15-2006
stevegula Wrote:Making bikes that compensate for a rider's inabilities will only diminish the quality of the racing because it will mean "subpar"
Well the racing the past 2 years has been very good, so that would seem to disagree, no? Especially this year in which most of the riders that have never ridden a 500cc 2-stroke....
I really dont care what kind of technowankery is on the bikes, because its nothing more than mental masturbation for the fans. At the end of the day the titanium bolts, carbon bodywork, aerospace-spec electronics, and so forth dont matter because when I turn on the TV I want to see the racing and battles, for both the lead and for that final points position.
Going to 800cc bikes next year wont matter much to me from the technical aspect, but it presents a new challenge to the teams and we will also see a new team joining the mix (Ilmor), which should shake up the racing and bring on some more excitement.
- Ginger - 09-15-2006
Luddites unite!
- stevegula - 09-15-2006
.RJ Wrote:when I turn on the TV I want to see the racing and battles, for both the lead and for that final points position.
I want the battles to be more visually epic. More than a line of bikes that occassionally try to peak up the inside of the ones in front. I want the bikes to look like they're trying as hard as the rider to make it to the front. I feel like MotoGP is going the way of Formula One, where perfection is almost attainable and passing doesn't happen unless the guy in front fucks up. MotoGP racing just doesn't look as "balls to the wall" as it used to, in my ever so humble opinion, and that's all I've been trying to get at.
Quote: to the teams and we will also see a new team joining the mix (Ilmor), which should shake up the racing and bring on some more excitement.
Let's be honest, they'll shock everyone if they manage a top 10, Gary McCoy steering or not.
- Ginger - 09-15-2006
stevegula Wrote:MotoGP racing just doesn't look as "balls to the wall" as it used to, in my ever so humble opinion, and that's all I've been trying to get at.
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Let's be honest, they'll shock everyone if they manage a top 10, Gary McCoy steering or not.
Well, why didn't you just say so?!
And yeah, I'll be shocked to see Ilmor doing "a lot" better than the Duke backmarkers.
- G.Irish - 09-15-2006
Formula 1's lack of passing has nothing to do with traction control and everything to do with aerodynamics.