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RE: BRZ - V1GiLaNtE - 07-30-2019
Awesome! My overly practical and frugal brain has always told me that I will own one of these in the future when they start to level out of the depreciation. It's getting pretty darn close and ideally I'd love to have something to keep the miles down on the 4Runner as it is slowly approacing the 200k mark (only 25,000 away YIKES!) It seemed like the best option as being 6'2" I don't exactly fit well in the Miata's.
RE: BRZ - ScottyB - 07-30-2019
(07-30-2019, 08:53 AM)Evan Wrote: For now it will get basic track prep and stay mostly stock.
these have been floating in my head for a while as well now. from what i've read these like to get their oil very hot on track. might be worth looking at a cooler or at least stepping up to a robust 30 or thin 40 weight oil.
otherwise they're a bit like an overgrown miata on expendables, which is how well balanced light cars tend to be!
RE: BRZ - Evan - 07-30-2019
(07-30-2019, 12:20 PM)ScottyB Wrote: from what i've read these like to get their oil very hot on track. might be worth looking at a cooler or at least stepping up to a robust 30 or thin 40 weight oil.
Yeah I will be datalogging the oil temps and keeping an eye on it for sure. Oil temps are broadcast through OBD via a custom PID which is a lot nicer than running a gauge and having to watch it all the time.
Though honestly I don't think it should be a problem. The BRZ/FRS community has been invaded by parts hockers who just convince kids to dump tons of money into the cars and it appears that was where this "must have oil cooler" stuff came from on the forums.
270 is about the highest Ive heard of a stock car doing which is nothing for Mobil 1. I also went to 5w30 which is a touch heavier but still within factory spec.
The oil itself can handle 500 degrees with no degradation (according to Mobil engineers) so its the oil pressure drop that you have to worry about the most.
Since oil coolers also cause an oil pressure drop, often times you are ending up at the same oil pressure as you would have anyway without one.
RE: BRZ - ScottyB - 07-31-2019
(07-30-2019, 11:02 PM)Evan Wrote: Though honestly I don't think it should be a problem. The BRZ/FRS community has been invaded by parts hockers who just convince kids to dump tons of money into the cars and it appears that was where this "must have oil cooler" stuff came from on the forums.
270 is about the highest Ive heard of a stock car doing which is nothing for Mobil 1. I also went to 5w30 which is a touch heavier but still within factory spec.
The oil itself can handle 500 degrees with no degradation (according to Mobil engineers) so its the oil pressure drop that you have to worry about the most.
Since oil coolers also cause an oil pressure drop, often times you are ending up at the same oil pressure as you would have anyway without one.
oh there's no doubt the FRiSBee community is overrun with snake oilers. seperating the wheat from the chaff on those forums practically takes a stats degree. good point about pressure loss, that's something i forgot about.
i think 500 degrees is phenomenally optimistic given that oil's propensity to shear down out of grade into 20 weight territory, but yes the occassional time spent above 250deg doesn't really hurt modern synthetics. i've seen talk that SRT engineers at Chrysler don't bat an eye at oil temps until they crest 300. again, more than i'd be cool with but wtf do i know anyway.
as the young bucks like to say these days, just send it. oh yeah, and enjoy your oil changes on those flat engines. i super miss how insanely easy that used to be when i had my RS.
RE: BRZ - Evan - 07-31-2019
(07-31-2019, 11:35 AM)ScottyB Wrote: oh there's no doubt the FRiSBee community is overrun with snake oilers. seperating the wheat from the chaff on those forums practically takes a stats degree. good point about pressure loss, that's something i forgot about.
i think 500 degrees is phenomenally optimistic given that oil's propensity to shear down out of grade into 20 weight territory, but yes the occassional time spent above 250deg doesn't really hurt modern synthetics. i've seen talk that SRT engineers at Chrysler don't bat an eye at oil temps until they crest 300. again, more than i'd be cool with but wtf do i know anyway.
as the young bucks like to say these days, just send it. oh yeah, and enjoy your oil changes on those flat engines. i super miss how insanely easy that used to be when i had my RS.
Oh don't get me wrong, Im not saying that you could run 500 degree oil in the engine, just that the oil itself can take that heat without breaking down.
300 degrees does seem to be the temp where shit starts to get real in a modern engine running synthetic.
Im certainly not against running an oil cooler, but I hope to not have to. Id like to keep the warranty on this car as long as possible, and Ive read way too many stories of oil coolers leaking or lines rubbing holes resulting in oil loss and a blown engine.
RE: BRZ - NTIman - 08-01-2019
Hopefully one of these is in my future too. As a skinny short guy, these cars fit me pretty well. I'll probably end up with the 86 just because of working at a Toyota dealer, but whatever. They're the same damn car.
We're supposed to get a Supra any day now, and as cool as that is, an Toyobaru is way more exciting to me as it's a bargain for what you get.
RE: BRZ - Ryan T - 08-05-2019
Nice pick up man! My twin brother had a red FR-S a couple years back and that car was a ton of fun to hoon around in. Didn’t really mod it, just plasti-dipped the factory wheels and some interior parts, but I really liked the car. I contemplated buying it from him when he was moving out of the country but the wife can’t drive a stick. I’m excited to see where you go with this. You’re basically doing everting my brother wanted to do with his but he was tied down to no parking and a big city.
RE: BRZ - *insertusernamehere* - 08-06-2019
Yaasss love the red!
When are you getting a tune to address your horrific torque dip? I'm surprised you haven't brought it up yet. It's what prevents me from getting one.
I can appreciate the fact you want to keep it nice and mild with the upgrades but these things come alive so much with quality suspension and brakes. They've become one of my absolute favorite cars to drive without about $10k extra in parts lol.
I'm surprised you think it's too nice to track, I couldn't have a more opposing opinion. I think the longer you own it you'll come change your mind. They're definitely tuner cars ready for whatever direction you want to go. It's asking for more... that's how I feel when driving it too.
Curious to see what you do about an oil cooler if you choose to
The Awesome wheel leaves a lot to be desired, the Crucial is large but not a bad option and look a little better, they come in gold and clear your brakes too!
![[Image: 62476970_629350854142897_902834291009215...tagram.com]](https://scontent-sin6-2.cdninstagram.com/vp/8c30b0940811551661108834fd60c7ed/5DB8D237/t51.2885-15/e35/62476970_629350854142897_9028342910092159500_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-sin6-2.cdninstagram.com)
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Guess I have to come see it in person in at VIR?
RE: BRZ - Evan - 08-08-2019
(08-06-2019, 11:02 PM)*insertusernamehere* Wrote: Yaasss love the red!With all the little things they improved and tweaked for the '17 refresh, I thought they would address the torque dip.
When are you getting a tune to address your horrific torque dip? I'm surprised you haven't brought it up yet. It's what prevents me from getting one.
Although to be honest it doesn't bother me that much, really it just means the car feels a bit slower around town that it should. When you pull out of the dip it feels like you just hit VTEC
On the track it will never be in the torque dip rangeIm not ruling out an OpenFlash tune though someday!
Quote:I can appreciate the fact you want to keep it nice and mild with the upgrades but these things come alive so much with quality suspension and brakes. They've become one of my absolute favorite cars to drive without about $10k extra in parts lol.When the 949 guys release their Xida coilovers for the platform.... I may not be able to resist!
That Crucial wheel looks really good, but they only come in 18x9.5? That's way too much bling for me!
RE: BRZ - SlimKlim - 08-08-2019
Brother do I have the wheel for you. Enkei rs05rr 18x8.5s, the wheels I was too cheap to buy for the GTI:
![[Image: dJPr3sf.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/dJPr3sf.jpg)
The 9.5s are pure concave sexuality but this setup looks like it would rub like shit or require a ridiculous spring rate to avoid it.
![[Image: 182524-8-2016-brz-subaru-coilovers-enkei...-flush.jpg]](https://images.fitmentindustries.com/web/182524-8-2016-brz-subaru-coilovers-enkei-rs05rr-gunmetal-nearly-flush.jpg)
RE: BRZ - Kaan - 08-08-2019
Bronze Volk TE37s.... because TE37 all things
RE: BRZ - Sijray21 - 08-08-2019
(08-08-2019, 06:52 PM)Kaan Wrote: Bronze Volk TE37s.... because TE37 all thingsThis. Please do this.
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BRZ - Senor_Taylor - 08-08-2019
BMW style 6 in 15inch diameter.
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RE: BRZ - JPolen01 - 08-09-2019
(08-08-2019, 10:46 PM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: BMW style 6 in 15inch diameter.
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Oddly specific. Do you happen to know someone with a set?
RE: BRZ - Senor_Taylor - 08-09-2019
(08-09-2019, 07:56 AM)JPolen01 Wrote:Now that you mention it, I sure do. Great guy.(08-08-2019, 10:46 PM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: BMW style 6 in 15inch diameter.
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Oddly specific. Do you happen to know someone with a set?
I heard he also has some Style 32s.
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RE: BRZ - Evan - 08-09-2019
(08-08-2019, 04:05 PM)SlimKlim Wrote: Brother do I have the wheel for you. Enkei rs05rr 18x8.5s, the wheels I was too cheap to buy for the GTI:
The 9.5s are pure concave sexuality but this setup looks like it would rub like shit or require a ridiculous spring rate to avoid it.
Those do look pretty damn good, and I can especially see them on a GTI. 18s are too big since Im trying to keep tire cost down but I looked them up anyway and *cough* holy shit those are expensive.
(08-08-2019, 06:52 PM)Kaan Wrote: Bronze Volk TE37s.... because TE37 all thingsParty like its 2002! Such a classic. I love those wheels but you know damn well Im too cheap to buy Volks!
But keeping with the bronze theme: Enkei TFR. (Reminds me of another classic, Kosei K1)
Here they are mounted https://www.instagram.com/p/ByvS2NIjsn5/
![[Image: xmiWNXr.jpg]](https://i.imgur.com/xmiWNXr.jpg)
They are a bit tight. (nylon washer is 3mm). Maybe these will be my street wheels
![[Image: iU1GX3I.jpg]](https://i.imgur.com/iU1GX3I.jpg)
RE: BRZ - ScottyB - 08-09-2019
that is tight, but if it clears, it clears right? or do wheels have an acceptable amount of flex, along with the calipers under load? i've never really gotten a clear answer on how much clearance is acceptable.
RE: BRZ - Evan - 08-09-2019
(08-09-2019, 11:01 AM)ScottyB Wrote: that is tight, but if it clears, it clears right? or do wheels have an acceptable amount of flex, along with the calipers under load? i've never really gotten a clear answer on how much clearance is acceptable.
3mm is what the internet thinks, but I don't think there is a shred of science to back that up.
From a physics perspective, the forces required to turn the car must go from the tires through the wheel to the hub to the suspension etc. So the wheels are seeing the full load of the cornering forces and have to resist those forces without deflecting.
So the question is how much are the spokes engineered to flex under that load? Probably not much, given the amount of material in the spokes, and the fact that any flex is going to compromise your suspension and alignment, AND engineers have to build in extra strength for potholes, manufacturing variance, etc. And given the leverage, any flex would be towards the outer portion of the spokes anyway.
*Maybe* in an autocross on hoosiers on a grippy surface you could get noticeable deflection in the outer edge of the spokes. Would be neat to mount a camera and see.
Something like this wheel, where the clearance is 2mm very close to the wheel center where all that extra material is and where there is the least flex, IMO is zero risk.
RE: BRZ - Steve85 - 08-09-2019
(07-30-2019, 08:53 AM)Evan Wrote:(07-29-2019, 10:10 PM)Goodspeed Wrote: I love this. That duo is excellent - is the BRZ gonna be a fun DD? Also I'm guessing that color is pretty rare since Subie doesn't (didn't?) really do red.
It was meant to be a drive-it-to-the-track track car, but in a way its too nice to just track. I love driving it around town and my kids love riding in it, so I may (or may not) delay the rollbar and race seats for a little while.
These do look good in red, surprised we don't see more in red. Hopefully those wheels work, color combo is spot on!
I mean, an Exige owner doesn't need to be told that it's tough to drive the fun car much if you typically have more than one passenger these days. But, I hate that so often when I'm taking the kids anywhere, it's both, so the fun car sits. Tough decision to forego all the opportunities to just drive it even the intention was track duty.
RE: BRZ - ViPER1313 - 08-11-2019
I mean, you could always add a 2mm spacer if it’s an issue.