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Re: MM Club Racecar - G.Irish - 02-28-2017
JPolen01 Wrote:I think SPK moved all of their operations to SPK Baltimore in WhitemarshYeah I saw that they had moved, just wondering what Summit Point is gonna do with that track that's just sitting there now.
Re: MM Club Racecar - EclipseTurbno93 - 02-28-2017
G.Irish Wrote:So.... forget the racecar and buy a karting track??JPolen01 Wrote:I think SPK moved all of their operations to SPK Baltimore in WhitemarshYeah I saw that they had moved, just wondering what Summit Point is gonna do with that track that's just sitting there now.
Re: MM Club Racecar - D_Eclipse9916 - 02-28-2017
Ha.. good luck. We had entry fees covered, a cheap ass car, and our own truck and trailers and it still cost $1000 per person to run chump.
Not saying it's not possible, but how do you determine wrench time vs drive time? Money vs drive time?
An autox car isn't a bad idea. Keep it "street legal" and aim for a wide open ruleset so you guys can have some fun without worrying about what's illegal in class. What is "street legal" to get to Verona can be very loose.
If a wheel falls off, who cares it's autox. You also need 2-3 alumni actively involved in the project with pockets and time to keep the project on the rails.
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Re: MM Club Racecar - Apoc - 02-28-2017
Never mix money and friends... especially not with race cars.
Re: MM Club Racecar - ScottyB - 02-28-2017
G.Irish Wrote:They do run sprint karts on Main and Shenandoah though
somebody here on the forums a long time ago had a laydown kart and ran it on main. you've got to have a redefined perspective of danger to run one of those but even then i don't think i could handle driving something like that there with their deer problem. one run-in with bambi and you're having reconstructive surgery.
instead of looking at a track car, how about consider a rally-x car? you can drive something almost stock and still win if you're good, the speeds are low, it teaches excellent car control basics on any driveline and there are events all over the DC/VA/MD/NC region. you can show up with something that would never, ever pass inspection to get on track and still have a great time for relatively cheap entry. a set of brake pads could last years, tires can be a cheap set of winters on summer closeout. if its RWD, just weld the diff. blown shocks, who cares.
its not wheel to wheel, but its fun as shit and i've literally seen everything run, from a roll-over salvaged SUV to a mustang BOSS 302 laguna-seca edition.
Re: MM Club Racecar - G.Irish - 02-28-2017
Your logic is sound.
Yeah Kristin Goodwin used to run laydown karts with Woodbridge Kart Club, but you're right. I certainly would be leery of running a sprint kart on Shenandoah or Main. Someone was killed when they collided with a deer a few years back. For sprint karts I'd wanna stick to kart tracks.
A RallyX car could be a street legal beater that could be pretty fun and speeds are a lot lower. Certainly a viable option.
Re: MM Club Racecar - *insertusernamehere* - 02-28-2017
I'm already trying my best to round up everyone for arrive and drive kart events and finding time to get myself to them. A friend and I were thinking about buying our own kart next year and doing a league, but we want to get at least half way competent at arrive and drives before we do that haha.
Re: MM Club Racecar - Scott - 02-28-2017
Mike Wrote:.RJ Wrote:This one has been around the horn more than once.
tl;dr its a bad idea go karting instead
in case you missed it.
This.
G.Irish Wrote:Biggest thing for you guys is that it's going to cost a lot more than $1000. You need to put on a roll cage to start with, and that's not something to cheap out on. Then you'll need to budget for replacing weak points on the car and wear and tear. Still doable but just be prepared to spend a few thousand.
I see the fun, but in reality for a bunch of broke college kids, this isn't the answer. In addition to being currently in the process of building a new race car myself, I've spent the last couple months talking/planning a Chump car build with a group of friends.
Roll cage ($3000+), halo seat ($1000+), belts, window net, etc. before the car touches the track. This doesn't account for the additional $$ you need to service the car and make it reliable.
Also don't forget everyone is going to need safety gear (fire suit, helmet, gloves, shoes hans, etc.....) $1.5-2k each
Plus the running costs for each event (entry, tires, fuel, transport), I think we figured out that after we funded the build ($8kish all in), we would each need to come up with around $600 per event to drive. All this for a "$500" car.
Everyone thinks that it is a great idea until it's time to write the check. Money that you will never see again.
However, I think an autocross car is a great idea. Find some beater Miata/E30/Civic, whatever, get one over 25 years old so you can put vintage tags on it, and mod it however you want. Race each other and have a blast. When it blows up, find another.
Re: MM Club Racecar - D_Eclipse9916 - 02-28-2017
Scott Wrote:we would each need to come up with around $600 per event to drive..
How many drivers? Considering entry fee is now like 12-1400.... set of brake pads, set of tires, fuel (it adds up I think we spent 450 alone on fuel just during the race).
More drivers helps the cost but then destroys the advantage of seat time. And wait till you have to sit there for 24 hours hoping not to blow it up early yourself... and watch your teammates hopefully not either.
Chump is on the decline now that people realize it's just as expensive to run a nice car than a POS
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Re: MM Club Racecar - Scott - 02-28-2017
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Scott Wrote:we would each need to come up with around $600 per event to drive..
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:How many drivers? Considering entry fee is now like 12-1400.... set of brake pads, set of tires, fuel (it adds up I think we spent 450 alone on fuel just during the race).
4 drivers
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:More drivers helps the cost but then destroys the advantage of seat time. And wait till you have to sit there for 24 hours hoping not to blow it up early yourself... and watch your teammates hopefully not either.
Plus if it blows up, who's tab is it going on, what about crash damage repair, even if it's not "your fault" while driving, "agreed" value if destroyed, etc.
D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:Chump is on the decline now that people realize it's just as expensive to run a nice car than a POS
That is the realization I came to very quickly during our planning process. I get it though, it would be a blast to do with a group of friends, but when money is involved, things can get difficult.
Re: MM Club Racecar - Steve85 - 03-01-2017
G.Irish Wrote:JPolen01 Wrote:I think SPK moved all of their operations to SPK Baltimore in WhitemarshYeah I saw that they had moved, just wondering what Summit Point is gonna do with that track that's just sitting there now.
I need to follow-up with them again. I drove over to he track last time we were out there spectating (Fall Finale) and it's empty, no barriers, tire walls or anything left. It seemed like such a waste and I'd love to get a kart for the boys and I be able to go over an have some fun. I asked if it was possible for someone to just rent it and they asked if I was part of the Woodbridge kart club. (Which I hate - answer my question, if it depends on that, let me know how it works either way...)
I mean, pretty sure I know the answer, same as everything else these days "Due to insurance, we regrettably..."
Re: MM Club Racecar - getfast - 03-01-2017
It's called the Washington Circuit aka Triple Skidpad and yeah it's just sitting there, I drove across it a few weeks ago.
It's rentable for autocrosses and not sure what else. You'll need insurance as well. Call the track, talk to Chris White...
Re: MM Club Racecar - SlimKlim - 03-01-2017
getfast Wrote:It's rentable for autocrosses and not sure what else.
Yes please.
Re: MM Club Racecar - EclipseTurbno93 - 03-01-2017
I have so many cones that need to be used for something
Re: MM Club Racecar - Senor_Taylor - 03-01-2017
getfast Wrote:It's called the Washington Circuit aka Triple Skidpad and yeah it's just sitting there, I drove across it a few weeks ago.Oh hey! Thanks for stopping by.
It's rentable for autocrosses and not sure what else. You'll need insurance as well. Call the track, talk to Chris White...
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Re: MM Club Racecar - Sully - 03-01-2017
You guys seemed to have missed this part.
getfast Wrote:. You'll need insurance as well....
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Re: MM Club Racecar - getfast - 03-01-2017
I can lock down a date and an insurance certificate with two phonecalls, then put on an event there to just about any spec. Ballpark estimate is $3500/day. Ready for deposit anytime ;-) OR you could just go to any number of legit existing events instead? :lol:
Re: MM Club Racecar - JPolen01 - 03-01-2017
This thread is stupid
Re: MM Club Racecar - Senor_Taylor - 03-01-2017
JPolen01 Wrote:This thread is stupidSome of us haven't forgotten what the "Motorsports" part of Madison Motorsports means.
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MM Club Racecar - JPolen01 - 03-01-2017
Sorry Taylor but we've done this before like everything else. Dan and I had the same idea and identical thread a few years back.
The club is just that. A club. It's not a legal entity. It can't own property. For all of the reasons above this is a bad idea. It's just not feasible. Who will own it? If someone gets hurt in and/or on the car who is going to assume liability? Not to mention the fact that it would cost you thousands of dollars to prepare a track car as others have stated and thousands in personal safety equipment.