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- WRXtranceformed - 09-29-2004
I dunno ! I'm too lazy to do the research right now, but my guess is that they could be something like an integrated snorkel ? Maybe for the kind of driving they're doing right there. Maybe another intake, maybe something that provides downforce like a spoiler....I'm not sure. The thing to the right of the painted scoop is probably a camera.
- ScottyB - 09-29-2004
the scoop on the roof is definitely for driver/navigator air ventilation, like what RJ said. if they need to put a snorkel on the car (like for the safari rally) they will run a large black pipe from the intake, out of the engine bay, and have a scoop for it half way up the a-pillar. you see these sometimes on 4x4's.
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- .RJ - 09-29-2004
ScottyB Wrote:you see these sometimes on 4x4's.
And Mr2's
- ScottyB - 09-29-2004
haha, you gotta do somethin if you don't have VtACk!
- .RJ - 09-29-2004
b00st > variable whizbang whatchamacalits in the valvetrain
- Ryan T - 09-29-2004
Dude, all those vents are strictly for off-road bling.
- Maengelito - 10-05-2004
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no more b00st?
hock:
- Mike - 10-05-2004
hock:they can't do that...
- G.Irish - 10-05-2004
The FIA proving once again that they can come up with ways to screw things up even worse than they are now. I can understand maybe a standard 4wd system with maybe standard brakes or perhaps no electronically controlled diffs or something but removing turbos from the equation would be just silly. What are we going to have, 220 hp rally cars?
- BLINGMW - 10-05-2004
I heard the spec also dictated a transverse mount trans..... which, of course, the subaru guys were rather upset about, since aparently they've never had one. :?
- CaptainHenreh - 10-05-2004
G.Irish Wrote:... but removing turbos from the equation would be just silly. What are we going to have, 220 hp rally cars?
Maybe honda can now make a rally car? Wait, that's it! It's perfect!
We'll just have Honda, Kia, Hyundai, Daewoo, Smart and Scion all be in the WRC! Won't that be just spiffy?!? They're cheap, and none of them are turbocharged! It'll be perfect! Let's neuter F1, and then take the balls from WRC, too! HOORAY!
The FIA is getting to be as bad as NASCAR...what is the future of Motorsport?!?
- ScottyB - 10-05-2004
removing turbos?! they are retarded. its just going to turn into a war of finding more expensive materials and costly use of resources to try to pull more power out of an NA motor, which is naturally not as easy as FI. the key to this cost reduction equation isn't using pussy engines, its a matter of simplifying the electronics.
just look at subaru and mitsu. can you imagine the WRX or EVO being cult objects with a 2.0 litre NA engine?
- Mike - 10-05-2004
2L + AWD = balls slow.
- Evan - 10-05-2004
Many of the current WRC cars are NA in "real life" and have no consumer turbocharged counterpart. The STi and EVO are the last of the Grp N and Grp A homologated rallycars.
Just like 1.8s and 2.0s in SWC put down 250+ hp, so can 2.0s in WRC. An all-impreza road racing series uses the 2.0 NA subaru engine and they put down 300hp on built engines.
I think it would suck, but they arent going to be slow.
- Evan - 10-05-2004
ScottyB Wrote:the scoop on the roof is definitely for driver/navigator air ventilation, like what RJ said.on that particular car, the box on the roof is a camera. Subaru designed a ventilation system that pulls air from the bumper area.
The new cars (like in the mud splash pic) are back to using roof mounted ventillation
- Evan - 10-05-2004
on a related note (didnt think it needed a new thread)
SCCA Kills ProRally and ClubRally programs
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- ScottyB - 10-05-2004
Evan Wrote:Just like 1.8s and 2.0s in SWC put down 250+ hp, so can 2.0s in WRC. An all-impreza road racing series uses the 2.0 NA subaru engine and they put down 300hp on built engines.
i see your point. i would imagine though, that a 300+ hp built NA motor will be harder to keep reliable/cheap than a similarly powerful boosted engine of the same displacement.
- Evan - 10-05-2004
yes you are exactly right!
F1 went through this exact same thought process back in the 80s when they ditched forced induction. The reasoning was that NA motors would be cheaper and more reliable. The opposite turned out to be true. You would think the FIA would learn.
what really bothers me about these rules is the "spec" transmission. transverse transmission. A flat-4 is not transverse mounted, which would force subaru to develop an I4 and completely re-engineer their cars. (and throw away one of their main marketing points)
FIA complains about decreased manufacturers in the series, then proceeds to slap the longest-standing supporter of WRC right in the face. I just dont get it.
- BLINGMW - 10-05-2004
Evan Wrote:...FIA complains about decreased manufacturers in the series, then proceeds to slap the longest-standing supporter of WRC right in the face. I just dont get it.
Yup, seems pretty dumb... maybe they figure Subaru is a safe bet to stick around no matter what the rules?
- CaptainHenreh - 10-05-2004
BLINGMW Wrote:Evan Wrote:...FIA complains about decreased manufacturers in the series, then proceeds to slap the longest-standing supporter of WRC right in the face. I just dont get it.
Yup, seems pretty dumb... maybe they figure Subaru is a safe bet to stick around no matter what the rules?
They did the EXACT same thing to Audi in 1986. This doesn't surprise me at all.