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Re: "To" vs. "Too" - WRXtranceformed - 11-29-2012
DON'T PUT THE NEW ROLL OF TOILET PAPER ON BACKWARDS
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - premiershine9 - 11-29-2012
WRXtranceformed Wrote:DON'T PUT THE NEW ROLL OF TOILET PAPER ON BACKWARDS
HAHAHAH
........ rest stops that DON'T have paper towels......
"To" vs. "Too" - JPolen01 - 11-29-2012
I vote for a new thread title "You know what really grinds my gears".
Re: - NTIman - 11-29-2012
JPolen01 Wrote:I vote for a new thread title "You know what really grinds my gears".
+1
Re: - SlimKlim - 11-29-2012
JPolen01 Wrote:I vote for a new thread title "You know what really grinds my gears".
OHHHH HE SAID IT, HE SAID IT!
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - premiershine9 - 11-29-2012
Hahaha starting one now- Thanks Mikey for starting this
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - Tyler.M - 11-29-2012
Mike Wrote:I've read three threads this morning. In all three "to" and "too" were used incorrectly. As your inability to understand the English language has an effect (not affect) on the value of the line in my resume that reads "James Madison University," I care.
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Too - Expresses excessiveness or addition.
To - Almost all other times.
This is probably third grade material... You can do it! :thumbup:
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The benefit of knowing this stuff is other intelligent people who know these rules won't cringe or automatically dismiss you for breaking them. I know I'm an asshole, but if I'm to hire someone and they screw up any of these in any of our pre-hire conversing, they're not getting the job.
So, I'm an English major and I've done a fair share of writing. I've also done a fair share of editing. The bottom line is that grammar Nazi's are the most ridiculous person on the Earth.
Let me explain. Here's a sentence:
"I'm driving to the track." This literally means the agent speaking is existing in a state in which he committing the action of driving to a place which (considering "the" implies this track has been spoken of beforehand) is called "track". This is obvious.
Now, let's fuck with it:
"I'm driving too the track." This literally means that the agent that is existing in a state is committing the action of driving ALONGSIDE or IN ADDITION to another agent that is not named. After that, "the track" just makes no goddamn sense.
In this, Mikey, you are correct. An extra "o" would make the literal translation of the sentence incorrect. :thumbup:
Yet, I really hope you aren't literally defining everything you read, because if this is the case you would never understand any American idioms (i.e. "letting the cat out of the bag") because the literal translations of any of these makes no goddamn sense either.
See, as educated English speakers we garner meaning not through literal translation, but through context and interpretation. Sure, if you're evaluating resumes on literally everything they say as the exact way the say it without comprehending what they're saying in substantive way, then yes, I can see what an extra "o" might be upsetting. But you don't. Hopefully. You understand what they're trying to say, despite they're grammatical incorrectness, and the original intention of the sentence is still maintained, communication is still upheld, and though their style may be wrong, the substance remains intact.
But, if I add an "o" to "to", a grammar Nazi will scream, "NEIN IST WRONG, IT MAKES NO SENSE," or "INFIDEL, U R UNEDUCATED, BURN AND BE POOR 4 EVA". To the average person, this is fucking ridiculous. To most people, it's fucking ridiculous. You still understand what I mean if I accidentally use "to" instead of "too", and the concept of the sentence is not actually disrupted. The reason of the sentence, communication, is still achieved and beyond a small addition or absence of an "o", still makes perfect sense to anyone with any modicum of intelligence. If you're determining whether or not a person is intelligent based purely on whether or not they know a specific grammar rule in the English language, you'll probably miss a shit ton of highly intelligent individuals who must likely give 0 fucks about the style, but focus all of their brains on the substance of their writing. The person who should really be chastised is the grammar Nazi for getting so hung up on a simple mistake and believe that some "educated" person is going to go so far as to say that you're uneducated because you added one fucking letter. I don't know about you, but the educated people I know would mostly understand what you were saying, and would care about the substance of what you're saying instead of some stylistic bullshit. I know I would. When I edit things, sure, I'll change the little mistakes like this, but I won't go so far as to say, "OMG YOU'VE RUINED JMU AND MY DEGREE, SEPPUKU IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED." I'll only do that when the paper or article I'm reviewing blows..
Now, if I was hiring someone and they wrote without regard to syntax....that's when I would probable think something was wrong. For instance, a syntax error would be like if this sentence, "The cat is in the room," was written like this, "Room in the cat is." Ta dah. You, grammar Nazi, have found your uneducated, piece of slime you so desperately are looking for.
TL
R? Being a grammar Nazi just means you know more rules but it doesn't mean you're more intelligent or even more educated. Duh.
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - SlimKlim - 11-29-2012
^ :lol: :lol: :thumbup:
In case anyone doesn't feel like reading all that, Tyler, an English Major, just told all these curmudgeons to get the Grammar Nazi stick out of their asses and get over it.
I don't get why people get bent out of shape over typos or misspellings like that, especially if the person is generally well spoken. What I hate are people that have completely devolved to "txt speak" and type lyk dis.
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - JPolen01 - 11-29-2012
That may be one of the best forum posts in a long time. Bravo.
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - Apoc - 11-29-2012
Tyler.M Wrote:So, I'm an English major and I've done a fair share of writing. I've also done a fair share of editing. The bottom line is that grammar Nazi's are the most ridiculous person on the Earth.
Tyler.M Wrote:You understand what they're trying to say, despite they're grammatical incorrectness
The amusing thing is the people you wrote this to dismissed it because of your grammatical errors. Such errors, especially when made out of haste or lack of fuck giving, tells your reader you don't care enough about your writing to do it correctly. If you don't care, why should we care?
Sorry to inform you Mike, but it appears JMU English majors suck at writing too.
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - Tyler.M - 11-29-2012
Apoc Wrote:Tyler.M Wrote:So, I'm an English major and I've done a fair share of writing. I've also done a fair share of editing. The bottom line is that grammar Nazi's are the most ridiculous person on the Earth.
Tyler.M Wrote:You understand what they're trying to say, despite they're grammatical incorrectness
The amusing thing is the people you wrote this to dismissed it because of your grammatical errors. Such errors, especially when made out of haste or lack of fuck giving, tells your reader you don't care enough about your writing to do it correctly. If you don't care, why should we care?
Sorry to inform you Mike, but it appears JMU English majors suck at writing too.
I'm sorry, did you somehow miss the entire point by focusing on my grammatical issues, thus reaffirming my entire thesis? Why yes, I think you just did.
Thank you, kind sir.
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - Apoc - 11-29-2012
Tyler.M Wrote:I'm sorry, did you somehow miss the entire point by focusing on my grammatical issues, thus reaffirming my entire thesis?
I don't know, I couldn't get through it because you sounded like you had no idea what you were saying. :dunno:
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - SlimKlim - 11-29-2012
:lol: :lol: :lol:
This thread delivers.
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - CaptainHenreh - 11-29-2012
I dunno, I see both sides. While I can definitely pick out meaning from context, if you can't take the time to at least glance over a screed you write, why should I take the effort to read it? It is all about courtesy.
It's a bit like the turn signal thing. If I start to change lanes or turn without signaling, you figure out what I am doing from context, but that still makes me an asshole.
Now, I would not immediately discount someone for spelling or grammar, but it is going to color and weight my perception.
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - SlimKlim - 11-29-2012
CaptainHenreh Wrote:glance over a screed you write
How could that not be on purpose? :lol: :lol:
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - Evan - 11-29-2012
so because you can nitpick a normal sentence into being grammatically incorrect by technicality, that means all criticisms of grammar are invalid?
let me put your logical fallacy another way: when you break the law driving 3mph over the speed limit, its ok for me to break the law and shoot you in the head.
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - Ken - 11-29-2012
CaptainHenreh Wrote:I dunno, I see both sides. While I can definitely pick out meaning from context, if you can't take the time to at least glance over a screed you write, why should I take the effort to read it? It is all about courtesy.
It's a bit like the turn signal thing. If I start to change lanes or turn without signaling, you figure out what I am doing from context, but that still makes me an asshole.
Now, I would not immediately discount someone for spelling or grammar, but it is going to color and weight my perception.
This. It varies, I suppose, on the errors made and the setting that they're in. Resume? Yeah, I am going to think you're an idiot, check that shit. Online forum? I'll give you a lot more leeway. As stated though, there is a limit regardless. Syntax being the biggest offender, but if 50% of the words you write are shorthand I will probably think less of you.
Good god though, this has definintely had me double checking what I am writing and i'm still sure i fucked up somewhere.
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - CaptainHenreh - 11-29-2012
SlimKlim Wrote:CaptainHenreh Wrote:glance over a screed you write
How could that not be on purpose? :lol: :lol:
What's the problem with this selection? It fits fine with the tone.
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - SlimKlim - 11-29-2012
CaptainHenreh Wrote:SlimKlim Wrote:CaptainHenreh Wrote:glance over a screed you write
How could that not be on purpose? :lol: :lol:
What's the problem with this selection? It fits fine with the tone.
Ah.
Screed b : an informal piece of writing (as a personal letter)
I thought you misspelled "screen"...
Re: "To" vs. "Too" - CaptainHenreh - 11-29-2012
SlimKlim Wrote:Ah.
Screed b : an informal piece of writing (as a personal letter)
I thought you misspelled "screen"...
Vocabulary, son.