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Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 07-18-2017
Oh. I'm useless without the sarcasm tag.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - JPolen01 - 07-18-2017
Apoc Wrote:Ken Wrote:Who really cares about all this anyway, worst case scenario we just may have to pay a little more to access this website. Big deal. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/11/what-is-net-neutrality-threat-trump-administration
That's a reductionist perspective that fails to recognize the true implications to people that aren't you. Do a bit more research, then comment. Here's a start.
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Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Ken - 07-18-2017
Apoc Wrote:Oh. I'm useless without the sarcasm tag.
hahaha, no worries bud, I sometimes fail to read through the sarcasm as well.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - WRXtranceformed - 07-18-2017
Lol, but yet:
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Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - JPolen01 - 07-18-2017
Maybe you can explain this to me....why do people keep deflecting how poorly Trump is doing by bringing up Clinton? She is not the president so who really gives a fuck? Let's focus on the man child running the white house via Twitter with an approval rating of 38%.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 07-18-2017
Because they are incapable of constructing a cogent argument in his defense.
(Doesn't apply to Lee cause I know he didn't vote for him.)
The best part about what Lee posted is understanding just how bad Democrats fucked up by nominating her. Like, they practically elected him by finding such a terrible candidate.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - ScottyB - 07-18-2017
this past election season will be studied in US poli-sci and social studies classes for the rest of eternity for reasons like that. truly an amazing display of just how broken things could get on both sides.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 07-19-2017
Apoc Wrote:The best part about what Lee posted is understanding just how bad Democrats fucked up by nominating her. Like, they practically elected him by finding such a terrible candidate.
Pretty much this. Bringing up Clinton as a "defense" for Trump just tries to say, "Wouldn't be any better with the other guy." Personally in that camp myself. The economy is doing great, there's a cease-fire in Syria, Daesh appears to be on the ropes and on the whole not much has changed since last year so... :thumbup:
I'm no Trump fan or defender, but I'm having a hard time getting spun up about him tweeting like a dipshit. Who gives a fuck? Russia? You're saying our elections can be surreptitiously influenced? Be still my fluttering heart, good thing WE would never do anything like that.
I'm just enjoying my popcorn, y'all.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - WRXtranceformed - 07-19-2017
Pretty much what these guys said, I did not vote for Agent Orange but I think it's hilarious the number of armchair political scientists that have popped up since She Whose Name We Will Not Speak lost the election. These, the same people who watched their best chance for a presidential candidate get politically steamrolled by a power hungry sociopath and then voted for her anyway. The Democratic party is in absolute shambles and it warms my heart, because we need more than two choices. You could try to say the same thing about the Republican party but right now they are winning The Game across the board and have been for years.
And I completely agree with Rex, you can keep distracting yourself with the unimportant trash by NPR/CNN/Fox/WaPo/insertwhateverbiasednewssourcehere that you wake up and read on the turlet. But right now the market has never been better, my retirement account has never been bigger, jobs are good and the world is still moving on as it has since the last 8 years of Dem presidency.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 07-19-2017
All those things are true, but there are some pretty significant policy issues that will hurt us in the long run. Beyond the environmental shit, we're gonna wake up in 10 years and realize America cannot compete in many industries, especially green energy. It'll be like the auto or steel industry, only we'll be competing with China. That's when it'll hurt.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - JPolen01 - 07-19-2017
WRXtranceformed Wrote:But right now the market has never been better, my retirement account has never been bigger, jobs are good and the world is still moving on as it has since the last 8 years of Dem presidency.Agreed on all fronts, but can you really relate any of this to Trump? What has he helped to pass to spur this? Maybe the speculation that he will deregulate everything and his pro-business mantra has fueled increases here and there but that's about it.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 07-19-2017
I think their point is that Trump doesn't really matter because shit is still good.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 07-19-2017
JPolen01 Wrote:Agreed on all fronts, but can you really relate any of this to Trump?
No. Can you relate any of it to anything else?
Jeez, it's almost like the POTUS is a single person with checks and balances on power and isn't fucking God King Emperor of America. I don't think Obama deserves half of the credit or the blame he's gotten for what happened during the 8 years he was president, and I think that Trump's influence on the overall state of Things As We See Them is largely minuscule as well.
Apoc Wrote:we're gonna wake up in 10 years and realize America cannot compete in many industries, especially green energy. It'll be like the auto or steel industry, only we'll be competing with China. That's when it'll hurt.
This is by far the largest concern for me. I'm all about scaling back this weird "Service/Consumer" economy that we've got going and moving in some manufacturing that will be competitive on the global scale. I don't see how Trump is going to accomplish that, and I don't see how HRC woulda either. I agree, 10 years from now shit's gonna get weird.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - WRXtranceformed - 07-19-2017
Apoc Wrote:All those things are true, but there are some pretty significant policy issues that will hurt us in the long run. Beyond the environmental shit, we're gonna wake up in 10 years and realize America cannot compete in many industries, especially green energy. It'll be like the auto or steel industry, only we'll be competing with China. That's when it'll hurt.This is probably true but I think the Competitive Effect (what our company calls it) of the US on any given industry is a really complex economic principle that is driven by a lot more than political policy (ie there are some industries / jobs that any given region will never be good at, or conversely always be really good at assuming status quo, and that is OK)
JPolen01 Wrote:Agreed on all fronts, but can you really relate any of this to Trump? What has he helped to pass to spur this? Maybe the speculation that he will deregulate everything and his pro-business mantra has fueled increases here and there but that's about it.The stock markets in general are 100% speculative. When a cow farts near a rice paddy in Laos the world markets react. From a financial aspect, I do agree with a lot of the moves being made to make it easier for companies to do business with and keep money in the US (ie. fixing corporate tax structures so companies don't dump all of their earnings overseas and offering incentives for US-based jobs). The tax implications to the state and fed aside, encouraging job growth here is good all around because it encourages a trickle down effect of job and tax income growth.
I ran an example for the DC metro area through some of our economic software. If a software company for instance adds 500 jobs to their industry in the region:
- 1,340 jobs are actually created in response: 500 initial, 235 direct, 98 indirect and 507 induced (supply chain growth and additional services to support those workers: hair stylists, grocery clerks, etc.)
- $133.3M change in local yearly earnings from those initial and ripple effect jobs
- $11.5M in additional sales, special assessments and property tax (TPI - Taxes on Production and Imports) from the businesses associated with those jobs
So any policy that encourages jobs here in America has a much bigger effect than just the benefit of the initial number of jobs.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 07-19-2017
WRXtranceformed Wrote:So any policy that encourages jobs here in America has a much bigger effect than just the benefit of the initial number of jobs.
I don't think the policies encourage jobs but rather protect current ones... which will be less relevant in a decade. We're going to end up in a situation where the best jobs are those economies that have continued to evolve. If you need any evidence, I'll tell you the number of foreign nationals we hire because there is literally no one in the US qualified, technically, to do them. The US owns the IP so the workers from places that didn't complete, like India, are relocating en masse. Not only will we not own the IP of the future if we don't invest now, all the people trained to make use of it will emigrate to countries that do.
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If you need further evidence, study the Japanese economy over the last two decades. Their xenophobic policies, that are actually quite similar to Trump's, have hurt them bad.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - WRXtranceformed - 07-19-2017
Apoc Wrote:That's a pretty broad statement, but Big T is a businessman and protecting your current assets and your run rate is a fundamental principle of business growth. As technology changes, jobs change, that's a never ending cycle. Either way, you have to encourage new jobs to come here and current jobs to stay here.WRXtranceformed Wrote:So any policy that encourages jobs here in America has a much bigger effect than just the benefit of the initial number of jobs.
I don't think the policies encourage jobs but rather protect current ones... which will be less relevant in a decade. We're going to end up in a situation where the best jobs are those economies that have continued to evolve. If you need any evidence, I'll tell you the number of foreign nationals we hire because there is literally no one in the US qualified, technically, to do them. The US owns the IP so the workers from places that didn't complete, like India, are relocating en masse. Not only will we not own the IP of the future if we don't invest now, all the people trained to make use of it will emigrate to countries that do.
Personally, I think the biggest threat to jobs in the US and across the world (mostly blue collar) is automation, robotics and AI. But economies change and adapt and we are a pretty resilient country of people even though most of the newer working generation are entitled and have higher opinions of their corporate worth than what is their reality. Your (and many, many other) company's IT hiring practices partly reflect that but are also because the tech industry changes more rapidly than almost any other I can think of. Even if we had enough skilled workers with appropriate skills, the "next hot skill" is constantly changing and I don't think demand is ever going to be met. Outsourcing is really your only option if you are heavily invested as an IT firm.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 07-19-2017
WRXtranceformed Wrote:Personally, I think the biggest threat to jobs in the US and across the world (mostly blue collar) is automation, robotics and AI
In this new world order, the only thing that matters is IP. Do you really think we're going to be the top of the heap if we're spending our effort talking about coal jobs and not encouraging youngins to study conservation and green energy?
WRXtranceformed Wrote:Even if we had enough skilled workers with appropriate skills, the "next hot skill" is constantly changing and I don't think demand is ever going to be met. Outsourcing is really your only option if you are heavily invested as an IT firm.
Amazon isn't just an IT company, it's an almost-everything company. With automation, the only thing that will matter is who patents the idea and has the skill set to train the machines. Protectionism doesn't breed IP or patents. Also, I'm not talking about outsourcing. We are moving thousands of people from their home country to the US to live here and work jobs where there were no qualified Americans. I'm talking high paying, critical thinking, value creating jobs. If it's really "ever changing," why do other countries have the skills and we don't? Clearly they saw something we didn't and are prepared. What's next that we'll be behind on? The answer isn't doctors, because we're already experiencing a shortage.
WRXtranceformed Wrote:we are a pretty resilient country of people
So it nearly every other country with a decent economy. We are not special and saying something akin to "oh, we'll figure it out" isn't good enough.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 07-19-2017
Apoc Wrote:IP IP IP IP IP IP IP
That China routinely ignores?
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - WRXtranceformed - 07-19-2017
Apoc Wrote:Amazon isn't just an IT company, it's an almost-everything company. With automation, the only thing that will matter is who patents the idea and has the skill set to train the machines. Protectionism doesn't breed IP or patents. Also, I'm not talking about outsourcing. We are moving thousands of people from their home country to the US to live here and work jobs where there were no qualified Americans. I'm talking high paying, critical thinking, value creating jobs. If it's really "ever changing," why do other countries have the skills and we don't? Clearly they saw something we didn't and are prepared. What's next that we'll be behind on? The answer isn't doctors, because we're already experiencing a shortage.You guys are also making a huge move at distribution and supply chain, which will 100% be affected (and already has been dramatically) by automation. Truck driving is next, which also affects that industry. I couldn't agree more that the ones at the top are going to profit, but with industries like the fast food establishment moving to automated ordering and food prep there are a LOT of low-skill / low educational attainment jobs that will be phased out in the not so distant future. I don't worry as much about a lot of the white collar world, it's the blue collar labor that are the backbone of most economies that won't have the opportunities that they have now for gainful employment.
If high skilled workers are emigrating and coming to America it's because the companies (like Amazon) that need them are here, or they can make a better living here. It's always been that way? If you were an intelligent human being and saw that your country had no opportunity for the skill you possess wouldn't you consider a move too if a company like yours waves an unlimited checkbook at you?
I 100% agree with you that our homegrown workforce isn't prepared for a lot of jobs in the tech industry and a lot of that falls on the educational system. Those workers exist overseas because their schools are educating them with the skills that are needed right now. They just know there are more opportunities here in the US, and despite the doom and gloom everybody still wants to be here. We're freakin Merica.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - Apoc - 07-19-2017
CaptainHenreh Wrote:Apoc Wrote:IP IP IP IP IP IP IP
That China routinely ignores?
Well, there's that. The difference is we'll have to ignore it if we want to compete.