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RE: Automotive News Discussion - ScottyB - 09-03-2019
Evan Wrote:People love telling other people what they need.
me? nah.
since we're on the topic i was wondering why ridgelines don't sell better since they appear to make more sense for most people because i see what most (NOT ALL) people actually use trucks for. here in the deep southeast, full sizes make up about 80% of what's on the road. they're typically spotless single-person commuter vehicles and i don't understand the point. and man they can get expensive too.
Evan Wrote:If you are paying 100% truck money, its not unreasonable to expect to get 100% truck capability.
100% agreed! but if you use that capability just once, is it worth the price/running costs vs just renting a pickup from home depot?
Evan Wrote:How does the Ridgeline pricing compare to other midsize trucks?so this forced me to answer my own question. looks like ridgelines start at 30 and get up to 36 with AWD. that's solid Silverado LT or F150 XLT territory and those guys do incentives like crazy. probably a wash over the typical ownership length (4-5 yrs?) when you consider a set of tires and fuel mileage assuming both are reliable. probably different for longer term ownership.
IMO it really only makes sense if its significantly cheaper than the competition, and usually Honda doesn't do that.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - Sijray21 - 09-03-2019
(09-03-2019, 11:51 AM)Evan Wrote: How does the Ridgeline pricing compare to other midsize trucks?
IMO it really only makes sense if its significantly cheaper than the competition, and usually Honda doesn't do that.
The Ridgeline price comparison (for mid-sized trucks only) really depends on the options you want. On the higher end when you option out the competition to be as similar as possible it's a bit below or very comparable. The big difference really comes in whether you're looking for an off-roader or not; the Ridgeline really just shines for on-road handling/feel while being somewhat capable for very mild off-roading. Most trucks seem to be focused on off-road capability and drive like body-on-frame trucks which i don't really enjoy.
PS - i also am under the impression that Honda doesn't really budge on MSRP, but they came down about $5k for my Ridgeline : shrug :
(09-03-2019, 11:22 AM)JPolen01 Wrote:(09-03-2019, 10:46 AM)Apoc Wrote: I liked the part where having three cars with all that parking is a pain.
Fuck yeah, America.
Yeah that one leaves me puzzled. Z3 stays in the garage and other two fit in the driveway. Plus room for a 4th on the street!
the z3 isn't always in the garage. i typically leave it in the driveway under a cover since i also like to use the garage for working on bicycles, for indoor cycling workouts, or used as a general mudroom or working on other random things. It's also used to store the kiddo's outdoor toys, used on some occasions for kiddo messy stuff (paint on a tarp for example). We also use the garage a ton for various things and the likelihood for any car being in there to get accidentally scratched is higher.
The Ridgeline typically sits directly behind the z3 in the driveway and besides the Sportwagen. If i want to drive the z3 i either need to remember to park the truck on the street before hand or move one of the vehicles before i drive the z3. It's a minuscule irritation and an understatement for a First-World problem. If you are a courteous person, parking while living in a cul-de-sac is a bit more annoying than if you were to live on a straight section. Curb real-estate is more used for very short term visitors, people/delivery/garbage/recycling trucks who need to turn around, 'the snow pile', where you put the leaves for curb-collection, garbage bins/recycling bins on certain days, and generally left for space for kids to play as our cul-de-sac has 5-8 kids playing most of the time.
(09-03-2019, 11:12 AM)ScottyB Wrote:Sijray21 Wrote:Having the Ridgeline now is interestingpotentially incendiary question - is the Ridgeline actually a truck? is truck "body on frame" or "has a bed?" its basically a lifted odyssey with AWD and a bed right?
I actually don't call it a truck most of the time; i just say 'Ridgeline', haha. It drives like a Car/SUV and has a bed and really is more like a lifted, 4-door/5-seating el camino.
No truck die-hards really call it a truck, but if it keeps sensitive people at-bay by not calling it a truck i'll call it a car; i don't care.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - Apoc - 09-03-2019
(09-03-2019, 12:24 PM)Sijray21 Wrote: It's also used to store the kiddo's outdoor toys, used on some occasions for kiddo messy stuff (paint on a tarp for example).
I'm sorry for your loss. I spent $600 on a backyard shed of kid shit storage just to make room for my bicycle in the garage with the 911. No ragrets.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - .RJ - 09-03-2019
(09-03-2019, 11:51 AM)Evan Wrote: How does the Ridgeline pricing compare to other midsize trucks?
IMO it really only makes sense if its significantly cheaper than the competition, and usually Honda doesn't do that.
10 years ago all of the similar mid-size trucks drove like garbage and there werent a ton of options.
I dont think that's the case anymore and the Ridgeline hasnt changed much. Still, it has a lot of nice useful features and the IRS will always give it more bed space, plus the dead hooker trunk.
Automotive News Discussion - D_Eclipse9916 - 09-03-2019
(09-03-2019, 12:49 PM).RJ Wrote:(09-03-2019, 11:51 AM)Evan Wrote: How does the Ridgeline pricing compare to other midsize trucks?
IMO it really only makes sense if its significantly cheaper than the competition, and usually Honda doesn't do that.
10 years ago all of the similar mid-size trucks drove like garbage and there werent a ton of options.
I dont think that's the case anymore and the Ridgeline hasnt changed much. Still, it has a lot of nice useful features and the IRS will always give it more bed space, plus the dead hooker trunk.
At least with the ridge line you have resale value. All the reviews I read said the Colorado kicked serious ass on road in mid-size market.
I ended up going 1/2 ton. I test drove most of the popular 1/2 tons and it’s surprising how no one manufacturer blows the other out of the water. Each has their own features/ride/nuances that are great that others don’t have.
I regularly tow, have 2 boys, and do a lot of outdoor sports/hobbies. 1/2 ton was needed for the space alone. My wife doesn’t pack light and it’s not worth changing that!
Automotive News Discussion - Senor_Taylor - 09-03-2019
No one bats an eye when someone gets a very sporty car when a less sporty version would do the job.
Why can't it apply to trucks?
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RE: Automotive News Discussion - Apoc - 09-03-2019
(09-03-2019, 08:09 PM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: No one bats an eye when someone gets a very sporty car when a less sporty version would do the job.
Why can't it apply to trucks?
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It probably has something to do with "Motorsports" being in the name of the club.
We own three cars and drive 6500 miles/year combined. Everyone likes to have more than they need in their own special way.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - ScottyB - 09-04-2019
(09-03-2019, 08:09 PM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: No one bats an eye when someone gets a very sporty car when a less sporty version would do the job.
Why can't it apply to trucks?
whats the job? going fast? if the job is just driving around town, then yeah i think that's kinda dumb.
i was just saying that with most people "the job" is driving back and forth to work with a coffee in their hand and carrying a bag of mulch twice a year. a 2500 series truck is completely wasted doing that job, while being completely inefficient at the same time. just didn't make much sense to me. this is reality where i live and i find it strange.
sorry for the hijack, not trying to rustle anybody's jimjams, just sayin.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - Jake - 09-04-2019
The interesting thing with the Ridgeline is that owners of other midsize pickups (Tacoma, Ranger, Colorado, etc) tend to scoff at the Honda offering because It's Not A Real Truck. What makes "a truck a real truck" is a matter of semantics and frankly, the Ridgeline offers most of what suburban truck buyers need, in a package that drives, rides and handles quite a bit better than anything body-on-frame ever could.
If you tow much or frequently max out your payload, then a BOF truck - likely larger than a midsize - is what you'll buy. I do find it slightly comical that some folks will put up with a vehicle that is markedly worse than competitors just for the sake of image. I have friends who own a newish 4Runner Limited and take it off-road once per year at the Outer Banks, on the beach. It is a horrible daily driver and makes no sense all loaded up unless you're Scotty's family and go off-pavement every weekend. Same deal with a Tacoma or Ranger compared to the Ridgeline... but the 4Runner, Taco and Ranger look "tough" and "manly" whereas the Ridgeline looks like a Pilot that had the back hacked up a bit.
Truth be told, I think a lot of the Ridgeline angst comes down to people who aren't super secure in their sense of self.
Automotive News Discussion - JustinG - 09-04-2019
I drove a Prius, a Ridgeline would be welcome ridicule. "Sweet soundsystem and cooler integrated into your bed you little bitch!"
RE: Automotive News Discussion - JPolen01 - 09-04-2019
I mean we all buy vehicles based off a number of things including looks. I wouldn't even consider the ridgeline if I wanted a mid-sized truck because it looks absolutely terrible IMO. It is a Pilot with the rear chopped off. I think the Colorado and Ranger look much better.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - rherold9 - 09-04-2019
(09-04-2019, 02:39 PM)JPolen01 Wrote: because it looks absolutely terrible IMO. It is a Pilot with the rear chopped off.
I honestly didn't know I was behind a Ridgeline the other day on the highway until I passed it. Looked exactly like a Pilot from behind. I was like wtf is that! What is this sorcery....
RE: Automotive News Discussion - Sijray21 - 09-04-2019
(09-04-2019, 02:38 PM)JustinG Wrote: I drove a Prius, a Ridgeline would be welcome ridicule. "Sweet soundsystem and cooler integrated into your bed you little bitch!"
i actually used that bed audio while i threw parts of my old fence at the dump this past weekend #worthit
i'm glad i can't really see it from inside the cab though. suckers.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 09-04-2019
(09-04-2019, 02:00 PM)Jake Wrote: Truth be told, I think a lot of the Ridgeline angst comes down to people who aren't super secure in their sense of self.
For me a lot of it comes down to this. I get it if someone wants a full-sized when they really won't be using any of the increase in towing capacity or ground clearance or what have you. I also understand if someone would like to think that they'll be offroading, so they need a Colorado Bison. But people spouting nonsense about 'it's a minivan and not a real truck', 'by yourself a real truck', 'you'll look dumb with truck nutz on yer Ridgeline!' just sounds like fuccboi shit to me.
To me the big reason not to get a Ridgeline or any mid-sized is that the full-sized trucks are so heavily discounted that they're similar in price to the mid-sized trucks. And they're kind of the best efforts that Ford, Chevy, and Dodge have to offer, so they have a number of innovative features. And if you for some reason want luxury, you can load it up with luxury features and roll off with a 96 month loan for $90k if you like.
Comparing apples to apples, the Ridgeline has much better ride quality than the other mid-sized trucks, has a max payload near the top of the class, and has a lot more convenient storage options. Doesn't tow as well as the best in class, but if towing is a big concern you're back at a full-size. There's personal taste, so someone people prefer a more rugged look, or they actually like the jouncy body on frame experience or they wanna put a lift kit on a Ridgeline would look dumb with one. Cool. But like many have said, the Ridgeline fits what a lot of people actually need.
When I think about it, it's a lot like the whole minivan vs 7 seat SUV thing. If you need the third row in a SUV, chances are you're better off with a minivan. But most soccer moms have some ridiculous hang up about minivans so instead they're making chiropractors a fortune as they hurt their backs trying to access that near useless third row.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - WRXtranceformed - 09-04-2019
I wanted a mid sized truck because it fit in my garage, and it did everything I needed a truck to do and more. It's the perfect utility for a homeowner without dealing with the hassles / inefficiency of owning a big truck. My wife's grandfather bought the newest Canyon with the updated transmission and he regularly gets 28mpg on the highway. That's insane.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - JPolen01 - 09-10-2019
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Automotive News Discussion - Senor_Taylor - 09-10-2019
Love life the i6!
Front bench?
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Automotive News Discussion - D_Eclipse9916 - 09-10-2019
Optional Jump seat on the 90 short wheelbase. A more traditional 110 regular wheelbase 4 door is available and will probably sell more here in the US
RE: Automotive News Discussion - Jake - 09-10-2019
I want it.
LR claims 8,200 lb towing capacity, which... may be feasible somehow? 119" wheelbase is short for towing beyond an open trailer, though.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - .RJ - 09-10-2019
Kinda quirky and I like it