(07-22-2019, 10:20 AM)Scott Wrote:

(07-22-2019, 08:57 AM)JPolen01 Wrote: 360s are getting into the affordable range but the maintenance still looks really expensive. Have you looked into what that would run?

I've been watching.  It's not terrible IF you are diy, they are just cars after all.  You can also do the major services without dropping the motor

(07-22-2019, 08:43 AM)Scott Wrote: I'm hoping it tanks the values of the GT4 or gated 360/430 as I prefer all of them to the new Corvette for what I would use it for (street/autocross/maybe some track events) and it must have a manual.

(07-21-2019, 01:39 PM)G.Irish Wrote: I'm looking at this car, and it basically destroys the value proposition of a bunch of more expensive cars.  I can't really find any reason not to get one of these over something like a GT4, used 430, etc. other than GM's sometimes questionable reliability.  And that I prefer high revving powerplants.  But shit, for half the price of something like a 991 GT3...

With such a radical change I'd be a bit leery of getting an early car.  Doubly so with the Z06.  

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(07-22-2019, 12:17 PM)Apoc Wrote: Except it's a Corvette and there's a whole cadre of people who aren't interested in owning a Corvette instead of a Porsche or Ferrari. Not everyone cares about hp per dollar or maximizing their value, especially in that price bracket.

(07-22-2019, 11:51 AM).RJ Wrote: Do you still get hammered on resale if you didnt service the car at the ferrari dealer?

(07-22-2019, 02:14 PM)G.Irish Wrote: I'm talking about the people looking at used 430's, R8's, 911's, etc.

(07-22-2019, 03:19 PM)G.Irish Wrote: The Corvette lacks a lot of those things but is such a big performance bargain that it's hard not to look.  On paper I'd take it over a 430, but I was never a fan of the 430's exterior styling anyway.  Same way some(most) people hate the 996's headlights.

(07-22-2019, 02:14 PM)G.Irish Wrote:

(07-22-2019, 12:17 PM)Apoc Wrote: Except it's a Corvette and there's a whole cadre of people who aren't interested in owning a Corvette instead of a Porsche or Ferrari. Not everyone cares about hp per dollar or maximizing their value, especially in that price bracket.

The person looking at a new 488 or Turbo S is probably not going to be swayed by the base model Corvette.  I'm talking about the people looking at used 430's, R8's, 911's, etc.

Of course there are people who still would never buy a domestic sports car, but there are plenty of people who simply didn't buy a Corvette because of it's former weaknesses.  The Vette used to be a crude instrument of speed with a poor interior.  Now it handles much better, is much more refined, still has world-beating performance, has a pretty good-looking interior, and now the exterior looks semi-exotic.

For people that didn't buy Corvettes before because of the cheap interior or crudeness, now the Corvette is something that makes a pretty damned good case for itself.  If they had raised the price by $20-30k, then it'd be kinda questionable.  But starting at $60K?  And if the Z06 is still under $100k?  That's hard to ignore.  

We'll still have to see reviews and early reliability but this looks like a game changer.

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(07-22-2019, 11:51 AM).RJ Wrote: Do you still get hammered on resale if you didnt service the car at the ferrari dealer?

Probably not as badly on the older models, but on a 458/488 it would still be a decent hit on resale.  I think as long as you keep records on something like a 430, 350, 550, etc. you'd be good to go.

(07-22-2019, 10:47 PM)Ryan T Wrote: I’ve talked to several people who (like me) are more likely to buy a C8. It’s at the absolute top end of what I could afford to make payments on, in it’s base model. I know several car enthusiasts who could swing a modded 25-30k and put some money into it or a ~$60k new car. In a stretch I could swing the new Corvette and rely on the warranty until I pay it off. That’s what a lot of guys are banking on and I can’t blame them. Pay $60k for a ten year old Ferrari with questionable history or the same money for a brand new car with a warranty.  Hard to pass up if you want performance and don’t care as much about the name.

(07-23-2019, 12:29 AM)JustinG Wrote: Can buy mid engine, v8, sports car for $60k.

But a sporty wagon will cost you $85k.

(07-23-2019, 11:16 AM).RJ Wrote:

(07-23-2019, 12:29 AM)JustinG Wrote: Can buy mid engine, v8, sports car for $60k.

But a sporty wagon will cost you $85k.

Or you could buy a VW wagon + Vette for $85k....

(07-23-2019, 11:30 AM)Apoc Wrote: I'm 100% serious when I say a small part of the reasons I want to move to Europe is the car selection.

(07-22-2019, 11:44 AM)G.Irish Wrote: I did just see that the Corvette will probably be around 3600 lbs though.  Only exotic/semi-exotics at that weight are the GTR, R8, 911 Turbo, and 2nd Gen NSX.  All of those cars are AWD.