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- CaptainHenreh - 10-21-2008
Goodspeed Wrote:whereas McCain's, as this woman proved, is willing to sacrifice perhaps key (and populous) areas to force their campaign strategy of appealing to far-right conservatives.
This right here shows that you didn't listen to a single word she said.
The talking head was talking about Virginia "turning blue" (a stupid phrase), pointing out Jim Webb, for one, as an example. She countered with the fact that many, maybe most NoVAites are primarily transient: They weren't born in Virginia, they won't die in Virginia, they moved here from DC or Maryland or wherever for work and she claims that Northern Virginia is not representative of the rest of the state. I don't think she's "sacrificing" key areas of the state, she's just pointing out an (I feel to be) important distinction about "virginia" and it's "turning blue".
Jim Webb is about as republican as you can get and still call yourself a democrat, Warner was loved by Virginians because he did a good freakin' job at "reaching across the aisle" and getting important shit done, and we thought we were getting more of that with Tim Kaine but half the people in VA hate his dumb ass. I don't see why this in particular is so hard to understand? She's not talking about McCain ignoring Metropolitan America (as much as you'd like for her to be) she's talking about an important distinction inside a particular key state for this election.
- Goodspeed - 10-21-2008
CaptainHenreh Wrote:She's not talking about McCain ignoring Metropolitan America (as much as you'd like for her to be) she's talking about an important distinction inside a particular key state for this election.
I was speaking about the campaign in general, and that includes Palin's definition of real "Main Street" America and so on and so forth. That woman also went on to describe rural parts of Pennsylvania and Minnesota. Thats all I'm trying to say. The Rep. strategy of courting certain areas and not others (IMO) is, in this election, not what I would believe to be a winning strategy.
- CaptainHenreh - 10-21-2008
Goodspeed Wrote:The Rep. strategy of courting certain areas and not others (IMO) is, in this election, not what I would believe to be a winning strategy.
Whatever dude. If you think it (appealing to the mythical "average American") is solely a republican strategy then Joe I'm-from-Scranton Biden has a bridge to sell you.
- Ginger - 10-21-2008
See: Mancur Olson, Median Voter Theory
Also, if you believe that you can preach to "all walks" of life in the elective pool, many, many of whom are diametrically opposed to one another, then who isn't actually being given credit for intelligence? Pleasing everybody necessitates lying, and if anybody that believes they can "fool all the people all the time" that person is really the one dumbing folks down. By concentrating your efforts on a certain areas or groups, you're rationally organizing campaign resources.
- Goodspeed - 10-21-2008
CaptainHenreh Wrote:Goodspeed Wrote:The Rep. strategy of courting certain areas and not others (IMO) is, in this election, not what I would believe to be a winning strategy.
Whatever dude. If you think it (appealing to the mythical "average American") is solely a republican strategy then Joe I'm-from-Scranton Biden has a bridge to sell you.
Well, that of course is true, and that sort of relates to what Ginger said (liars, cheats, and thieves). Naturally the Dems will lie through their teeth about being from a small town (Hillary anyone?). But the Repubs. are using it more readily. And with all the concern over the economy, jobs, home-ownership in particular, IMO the urban and suburban areas of America are now more important than ever, and I feel the Rep. campaign has been dropping the ball in appealing to those areas. The Dems. can and will lie about it, but they largely don't have to worry about areas that contain a majority of our population and the sectors that contain much of the aforementioned variables.
Plus, you need only to look at the votes of 2004 to see how those urban areas voted (U. Michigan)
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Yes, no, maybe? I'm just trying to put a perspective on the whole election to this point. I'm more disappointed in how the Repub. campaign has turned out than anything.
EDIT: Ginger, yes I see that is what they are doing, but will that win them this election? I think not. To quote an overused phrase, "It's not what America needs right now". I mean, Obama is leading right now, due in no small part to his campaign strategy in my opinion.
- Evan - 10-21-2008
:lol:
Goodspeed if you think this is a Republican strategy, go watch one of obama's stump speeches to a black/urban audience and see what happens to his raised-by-upperclass-white-people-in-hawaii accent.
- Goodspeed - 10-21-2008
Evan Wrote::lol:
Goodspeed if you think this is a Republican strategy, go watch one of obama's stump speeches to a black/urban audience and see what happens to his raised-by-upperclass-white-people-in-hawaii accent.
Yes but, I see the "catering" to an audience in this particular election to be more of a major staple (crutch? drawback?) to the GOP than the Democrats.
Whatever, fuck Toyota.
Obama - Feersty - 10-21-2008
Obama speaking in the black church is pretty funny.
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- Evan - 10-21-2008
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yeah.....Palin is the clueless one...
- Apoc - 10-21-2008
At least he's funny when he fucks up. She's just plain... clueless.
- JackoliciousLegs - 10-23-2008
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- Ole - 10-23-2008
Along those lines, here are some educated voters.
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"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups"
- JackoliciousLegs - 10-23-2008
Ow... that's painful.
- BLINGMW - 10-23-2008
that was awesome. I bet you could go out and get a lot more comments like that on tape....
- Ole - 10-23-2008
It goes the other way as well. I believe you should have to show some type of knowledge of the candidates position in order to cast a vote, but that makes too much sense.
- G.Irish - 10-23-2008
Whew that is awful. I wonder how many people they had to talk to in order to find those three?
- JackoliciousLegs - 10-23-2008
Probably fewer than we'd like...
- Feersty - 10-23-2008
That is funny.
- Goodspeed - 10-23-2008
You got served!
http://wonkette.com/403730/uh-heres-a-video-of-mccain-and-obama-dancing
"I'd tap that, my friends..."
- Ole - 10-23-2008
That was funny