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- Apoc - 06-10-2008
BLINGMW Wrote:so..... at $200, they can't be making much $ on it. I guess AT&T gives a % back to Apple for service? Or are they going to flood the market, then dump AT&T and whore it out to other providers for more of a share? Start their own service? I just wonder what they're up to....
From what I've read, Apple will no longer get the kickbacks from ATT and will actually be taking a hit by selling it for $200. I think that was on Engadget or something but I don't care enough to find the source.
- BLINGMW - 06-10-2008
hmmm... yeah, they've definitely got something up their sleeves then. :evileye: If this is the next big gaming platform in disguise, I guess that could be it. :dunno:
- Evan - 06-10-2008
its definately a loss-leader for someone, although my guess is that it would have to be AT&T in exchange for another year (or two) of exclusivity.
Apple doesnt have much of a business model to sell these things at a loss. AT&T does in order to get new customers in the door and data plans sold.
edit: looks like that is in fact the case . AT&T has gone on the record saying that it'll take a huge revenue hit -- 10 to 12 cents per share both this year and next ... in order to deeply subsidize the phone on its own accord
The phone is still too big, has no keyboard, and in the year it took apple to bring out the iPhone that it should have been to begin with, the competition has surpassed it. But for $200? Damn.
- REED - 06-10-2008
doesn't AT&T have exclusive rights for 5 years (2012)?
- Apoc - 06-10-2008
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The iPhone was a near-perfect mobile device a year ago when it first launched. Sure, there were flaws... But those flaws are gone. Yes, it has no physical keyboard and some people canÔÇÖt yet get over that. And the battery life isnÔÇÖt great. But those are about the only negative things I can say about it.
It was near perfect but wait... it had flaws? All the flaws are gone but are still negative things you can say about it? Well which is it? This is why iphone lovers annoy me and others. Everyone agrees it's a huge technological leap but in one sentence people say it can nevaR lose and in another points out the things wrong with it. Obsessive to the point of delusion, that's fanboism.
- BLINGMW - 06-10-2008
ah ok, thanks Evan, I found a similar article
"AT&T's shift to subsidizing sales of Apple's iPhones to attract more customers will cost the company up to $1 billion in 2008 alone, analysts said."
Makes sense now. That phone probably still costs about what it did. It's just being sold like other phones now, with the service provider footing the bill. No surprise then that AT&T's stock took a hit last night, though it may be a good long term play.
- Beej - 06-10-2008
Apoc Wrote:It was near perfect but wait... it had flaws?Isn't that the very definition of "near perfect"?
I'm not defending fanboys, but I'm not against them either (I have a lot of Apple products - they make good stuff - but I'll also acknowledge it's not all perfect). But really, stop crying about the fanboyism. We get it.
- Apoc - 06-10-2008
Beej Wrote:I'm not defending fanboys, but I'm not against them either (I have a lot of Apple products - they make good stuff - but I'll also acknowledge it's not all perfect). But really, stop crying about the fanboyism. We get it.
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- JackoliciousLegs - 06-10-2008
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Oops more moneys.
- Mike - 06-10-2008
JackoliciousLegs Wrote:http://venturebeat.com/2008/06/10/hp-takes-a-swing-at-apples-macbook-air-with-new-voodoo-envy-laptop/
Oops more moneys.
removable battery is pretty huge, but i'd take an air over it.
- mrbaggio - 06-10-2008
Has anyone talked about the supply vs demand for the new iphones. I certainly want to pick one up, but I'm not camping on a sidewalk to get one.
- Evan - 06-10-2008
JackoliciousLegs Wrote:http://venturebeat.com/2008/06/10/hp-takes-a-swing-at-apples-macbook-air-with-new-voodoo-envy-laptop/SSD is standard on the voodoo so not more moneys, but the X300 kicks both their asses anyway
Oops more moneys.
- Ginger - 06-10-2008
Yeah but seriously... the Lenovo is as boring as a chalkboard.
- Apoc - 06-12-2008
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The service plan will cost $10 a month more, meaning an additional $240 over the life of the mandatory two-year contract with AT&T Wireless, the iPhoneÔÇÖs exclusive carrier.
Consumers with the current generation iPhone pay $20 a month for an unlimited Internet and e-mail use, and can send up to 200 text messages as part of that plan. However, those who buy the new iPhone, due out July 11, will pay $30 a month for unlimited Internet and e-mail.
I guess they justify it as paying for faster speeds?
A customer with the new 16-gigabyte iPhone will spend $1,978 over two years
hock: That's just scary. I pay something similar for a smart phone and I never added it all up.
- .RJ - 06-12-2008
Apoc Wrote:I guess they justify it as paying for faster speeds?
Nah, it justifies the $200 purchase price
Price drops $200, but you pay $240 more over the 2 year contract. Now that is fucking brilliant.
- Evan - 06-12-2008
you're sucking down a lot more bandwidth with 3G. With the old shitty 56k-ish edge speeds, you could only use but so much bandwidth
- Apoc - 06-12-2008
Evan Wrote:you're sucking down a lot more bandwidth with 3G. With the old shitty 56k-ish edge speeds, you could only use but so much bandwidth
...although I'm pretty sure Edge is $30 too with everything but the iphone.
- Evan - 06-12-2008
AT&Ts data plans have always depended on the kind of device you have.
I pay $40 (well my company does) for unlimited data under the "PDA connect" plan
There are $20 "media max" data plans but you can only get those if you have a regular phone (even if its 3G)
I guess the rationale being a PDA phone has a lot more ways to use that bandwidth or they are just bending over the PDA customers.
either way, $30 for the iphone data is less than I pay for the same service. Gotta treat those trendy apple douchebags extra special I guess
- Apoc - 06-12-2008
Evan Wrote:either way, $30 for the iphone data is less than I pay for the same service. Gotta treat those trendy apple douchebags extra special I guess
BB is $30 too so I guess they're ending special treatment for iphone.
- Apoc - 07-11-2008
You know I had to throw some hate out today.
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Our biggest gripe with Exchange isn't small, though: the system is unable to let enterprise contacts and calendars coexist on the same device with personal contacts and calendars. (Personal and corp email get along just fine, though.) When you turn on Exchange-synced contacts and calendars, you're notified that it's a one or the other kind of a situation, and your personal data will be removed from the phone. Though that data isn't purged from your host machine, of course, you do immediately lose the ability to change contact or calendar sync settings. This effectively means that your device can only serve as an enterprise device OR a personal device, but not both at once.
I suspect most people getting iphones won't really care because they're unlikely to use Exchange support. All in all, it looks like Apple is really starting to address a lot of the gripes of the first one. Maybe 3.0 will be the true business hardware it was supposed to. :wink: