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RE: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 01-11-2019
Yeah the styling doesn't do it for me, and unless it's very aggressively priced it's gonna have a hard time going up against the Mustang, Camaro, and Corvette. Another Japanese legend brought back for a sales fail.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - CaptainHenreh - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 10:33 AM)G.Irish Wrote: Yeah the styling doesn't do it for me, and unless it's very aggressively priced it's gonna have a hard time going up against the Mustang, Camaro, and Corvette. Another Japanese legend brought back for a sales fail.
GOD. DAMNIT.
What is going on in japan? 8 speed auto and 340hp? For what is sure to be at least a 45k car?
fuck off.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - rherold9 - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 10:55 AM)CaptainHenreh Wrote:(01-11-2019, 10:33 AM)G.Irish Wrote: Yeah the styling doesn't do it for me, and unless it's very aggressively priced it's gonna have a hard time going up against the Mustang, Camaro, and Corvette. Another Japanese legend brought back for a sales fail.
GOD. DAMNIT.
What is going on in japan? 8 speed auto and 340hp? For what is sure to be at least a 45k car?
fuck off.
Especially since the Z4 price figures have been released. Easy $45k base for the Supra. If we are lucky it will be between 40-45k, but at or closer to 45k is way more likely
RE: Automotive News Discussion - Sijray21 - 01-11-2019
all these new car prices (for trims/options that are actually desirable) just make me sad...
RE: Automotive News Discussion - .RJ - 01-11-2019
no manual no care fuck you toyotabmw
RE: Automotive News Discussion - JPolen01 - 01-11-2019
It strikes me as an odd decision to offer the Supra with an automatic transmission as the only option. Toyota has to know that this car is geared only towards enthusiasts who want a manual transmission. I get that BMW would offer the Z4 with the automatic only for those uppity folks that just want a fancy BMW. Toyota WTF!!
RE: Automotive News Discussion - .RJ - 01-11-2019
That one was probably driven by the German engineers because, objectively, its better.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - ScottyB - 01-11-2019
JPolen01 Wrote:Toyota has to know that this car is geared only towards enthusiasts
that's what the 86 is for.
its a halo car that has to be SUPER TRACK TIMES WOW FAST so its gotta have whatever automatic will deliver those instant shift times. manual sports cars or supercars will only exist as a niche anymore.
i hate it. the supra was a holy name in toyota circles. as someone already said, if this one didn't have a supra badge on it i would have just assumed its another lexus toy for rappers and rich golfers to hard park at the local clubs.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - Apoc - 01-11-2019
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RE: Automotive News Discussion - CaptainHenreh - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 11:37 AM)Apoc Wrote:
yeah but...who *IS* gonna buy it?
RE: Automotive News Discussion - JPolen01 - 01-11-2019
^the million dollar question. Probably the same 6 people that bought a Lexus RC-F.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 11:20 AM)JPolen01 Wrote: It strikes me as an odd decision to offer the Supra with an automatic transmission as the only option. Toyota has to know that this car is geared only towards enthusiasts who want a manual transmission. I get that BMW would offer the Z4 with the automatic only for those uppity folks that just want a fancy BMW. Toyota WTF!!
I've found that for some reason some of the Japanese companies have a really, really hard time with product planning for performance products. I'm not sure what the cause is either.
I don't know if it's that they defer too much to engineers who may not understand the target customer very well. Or if it's that their market research is fatally flawed. Or if it's that they look at the competitive landscape and turn their noses up at what the frontrunners in each segment are doing.
In a vacuum I could see how Toyota could look at how a lot of customers prefer an automatic and a ZF 8speed is probably as fast or faster. I could also see how they might think that the Mustang, Camaro, and Corvette are crude, heavy, and/or unreliable compared to their Supra, so people might choose the Supra based on that. Especially if their impressions are based on the versions of those cars available in the 90's.
But if you're living in reality and you honestly evaluate what's out there, what Toyota is doing with the Supra doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe the car will be pretty light and push more power than the Z4. But even then they're gonna have a hard time selling to sports car buyers without at least a DCT.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - Jake - 01-11-2019
So... I have to ask, was the OG Supra much of a handling queen in the first place? I seem to remember them and the 3000GT as more GT cars - fast in a straight line, didn't fall all over themselves in turns, but not the #1 choice for The Ultimate Corner Carving Machine.
Seems like the 86 is the handler and the Supra is the GT car, so who cares about a quick-shifting ZF8.
Automotive News Discussion - Senor_Taylor - 01-11-2019
They should sell the Supra used from the factory in a brown wagon with a 13 speed manual.
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RE: Automotive News Discussion - V1GiLaNtE - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 01:57 PM)Senor_Taylor Wrote: They should sell the Supra used from the factory in a brown wagon with a 13 speed manual.
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It's called the Cressida.
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RE: Automotive News Discussion - Scott - 01-11-2019
(01-11-2019, 01:55 PM)Jake Wrote: So... I have to ask, was the OG Supra much of a handling queen in the first place? I seem to remember them and the 3000GT as more GT cars - fast in a straight line, didn't fall all over themselves in turns, but not the #1 choice for The Ultimate Corner Carving Machine.
Seems like the 86 is the handler and the Supra is the GT car, so who cares about a quick-shifting ZF8.
Having spent some time previously in the last generation, no is the owner to you question. I found it very bloated to drive, much more of a GT car.
Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 01-11-2019
In other news, check out the C8 Vette interior
https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/exclusive-2020-corvette-interior-revealed-new-tech-improved-design/
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RE: Automotive News Discussion - Sijray21 - 01-11-2019
those paddle shifters look like they're on the wheel and not the column...
RE: Automotive News Discussion - Ryan T - 01-11-2019
Looks cool, but I hate e-brake buttons. Gimmie a handle or pedal.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - .RJ - 01-11-2019
.... paddle shifters....