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Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 11-10-2016
JPolen01 Wrote:CaptainHenreh Wrote:Also I get mike pence is an asshole I really do but please point to ANYTHING Joe Biden has done in 8 yearsBiden has had a great 8 year run of making quality jokes at inopportune times and has been very meme-able. I can only hope Pence has the meme like qualities.
Oh the pencememes are gonna be SO GOOD. Oh lord. And Lorne Michaels should be thanking whatever god he prays to for this result.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - rherold9 - 11-10-2016
I agree to that as well to a point. I think there is a bit overreaction like you say but they should be able to worry. How much though? Who cares? Whatever amount they want, imo. May sound stupid but that's their choice and if they want to moan let them. It's only going to hurt themselves just ignore them. I know friends who have said only a small amount, are worried but they aren't moaning and ready to fight back in protest if need be.
Why am I even arguing about this? :dunno:
Only thing I'm worried about Pence if some rash decision by someone puts this guy in charge. Doubtful but for real imagine that dude as President.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 11-10-2016
rherold9 Wrote:Only thing I'm worried about Pence if some rash decision by someone puts this guy in charge. Doubtful but for real imagine that dude as President.
I don't wanna get a visit from the secret service but yes that would be very bad indeed, dear everyone who hates trump: Trust me, you don't hate him THAT much.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - rherold9 - 11-10-2016
CaptainHenreh Wrote:Also, I just want to thank you all, this thread has exceeded my wildest expectations.
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Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - WRXtranceformed - 11-10-2016
Interesting take on the potential necessity of "political diversity" in college faculty and ideology:
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Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - rherold9 - 11-10-2016
WRXtranceformed Wrote:Interesting take on the potential necessity of "political diversity" in college faculty and ideology:
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How does one make political diversity in college? Not hire people based off political views? It's not like professors push their views on people and they aren't supposed to.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - CaptainHenreh - 11-10-2016
rherold9 Wrote:WRXtranceformed Wrote:Interesting take on the potential necessity of "political diversity" in college faculty and ideology:
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How does one make political diversity in college? Not hire people based off political views? It's not like professors push their views on people and they aren't supposed to.
Yeah you know, I can acknowledge this as a problem but I've got no real idea how to solve it. Even if you dont' push your views directly, your belief systems color the things you teach (or don't teach) and that's not wrong or bad, it's just the way it is. But I've seen how professors with...unpopular views struggle to get employment and tenure, despite being supremely qualified because they don't fall lockstep with "the culture of the university". Some universities are definitely worse than others, and to some degree higher ed is always going to be more "ivory-tower-y" than the genpop.
But some diversity in viewpoint would definitely be welcome, in my opinion (worth what you paid for it.)
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - G.Irish - 11-10-2016
WRXtranceformed Wrote:If you're to the point of tears over who got elected as president and needed to be handed tissues and hot chocolate you need a little introspection. And you also need to really educate yourself about what would actually have to happen for you to be legitimately oppressed in America today. One man taking office is not it.Here's the thing. The man who just got elected president has not only said and done openly racist and misogynist things, he is someone who has brought people from the white nationalist movement into his circle, and he has played dumb about the support of the white supremacists. Trump's candidacy has served to legitimize and embolden people who are bigots.
Don't cry about who got elected for president, nobody is going to bang down your door and steal your kids, my God what is wrong with you peasants
There are many Americans for whom this is terrifying. It's not just about people being afraid of someone saying something mean and hurting their feelings or refusing to bake them cupcakes. It's about people being afraid of actual violence, actually being discriminated against, and having hard fought progress being turned back.
It's about people who genuinely believe in the American values of equality and tolerance seeing someone who actively flouted those values attaining the highest office in the land.
Some people just see it as whining, but a friend of mine was attacked and beaten for being gay a few years ago. This year, another person I know had a relative murdered by an ex-con white supremacist. People are genuinely afraid that there'll be more of this with Trump, rather than less.
Now we have to hope that someone who won the presidency while stoking the fire, will turn around and try to put it out.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - WRXtranceformed - 11-10-2016
G.Irish Wrote:Hate has existed for millennia and it's going to continue to exist no matter how tolerant we become as a nation or who is in charge. The odds of state sponsored hate policy existing in this day and age are as likely as those dipshits in California actually seceding from the US. We've come a long way in terms of tolerance (although the left seems to be going backward) and acceptance as a people and that isn't going to changeWRXtranceformed Wrote:If you're to the point of tears over who got elected as president and needed to be handed tissues and hot chocolate you need a little introspection. And you also need to really educate yourself about what would actually have to happen for you to be legitimately oppressed in America today. One man taking office is not it.Here's the thing. The man who just got elected president has not only said and done openly racist and misogynist things, he is someone who has brought people from the white nationalist movement into his circle, and he has played dumb about the support of the white supremacists. Trump's candidacy has served to legitimize and embolden people who are bigots.
Don't cry about who got elected for president, nobody is going to bang down your door and steal your kids, my God what is wrong with you peasants
There are many Americans for whom this is terrifying. It's not just about people being afraid of someone saying something mean and hurting their feelings or refusing to bake them cupcakes. It's about people being afraid of actual violence, actually being discriminated against, and having hard fought progress being turned back.
It's about people who genuinely believe in the American values of equality and tolerance seeing someone who actively flouted those values attaining the highest office in the land.
Some people just see it as whining, but a friend of mine was attacked and beaten for being gay a few years ago. This year, another person I know had a relative murdered by an ex-con white supremacist. People are genuinely afraid that there'll be more of this with Trump, rather than less.
Now we have to hope that someone who won the presidency while stoking the fire, will turn around and try to put it out.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - ViPER1313 - 11-10-2016
WRXtranceformed Wrote:The odds of state sponsored hate policy existing in this day and age are as likely as those dipshits in California actually seceding from the US. We've come a long way in terms of tolerance (although the left seems to be going backward) and acceptance as a people and that isn't going to change
If you had asked women in Afghanistan circa 1965 or Iran circa 1975 they would have told you the same thing. Fat chance in hell religious hardliners will take our freedoms and put us back in the Middle Ages! But just look how that turned out....
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - WRXtranceformed - 11-10-2016
You're seriously comparing the US administration to an Afghanistan or Iran?
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - ViPER1313 - 11-10-2016
Yes and no. No in that I don't think we will be the next North Korea, yes in that I do believe a lot of our elected officials truly believe in the regressive social policies they have campaigned on so fervently over the past 20 years, and would implement them given the opportunity. Ex: We won't have Sharia law, but it may become a hell of a lot less friendly toward the gays if you can feel where I am coming from.
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Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - G.Irish - 11-11-2016
WRXtranceformed Wrote:Hate has existed for millennia and it's going to continue to exist no matter how tolerant we become as a nation or who is in charge. The odds of state sponsored hate policy existing in this day and age are as likely as those dipshits in California actually seceding from the US. We've come a long way in terms of tolerance (although the left seems to be going backward) and acceptance as a people and that isn't going to changeIn recent years we've had more than one state pass anti-LGBT legislation. With control of both Congress and the White House and impending Supreme Court appointments it is absolutely possible that LGBT rights will get eroded. To be fair Trump has not been particularly opposed to LGBT rights, and Mike Pence actually amended his legislation to make discrimination illegal. On Muslims in America I can only hope that decency and respect for the Constitution prevails and we don't end up with state-sponsored discrimination.
But, there are hateful people out there who have been motivated and buoyed by Donald Trump's rhetoric and are going to go out and harass and hurt people. The FBI just caught 3 such people who were planning on picking an apartment building with immigrants and massacring them.
Either way, for many minorities in America it is impossible not to be worried about what a Trump presidency means. He campaigned with dangerous rhetoric that we haven't seen at the national level since the Civil Rights era. No one would be even remotely worried if Romney or McCain had just won the election.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - ScottyB - 11-11-2016
rherold9 Wrote:How does one make political diversity in college? Not hire people based off political views? It's not like professors push their views on people and they aren't supposed to.
some anecdotal experience from a second hand position on this, to illustrate a bit of the microcosm that Lee's article describes, but particularly for professors as it relates to your question. my wife's a biology professor at a university here where we live. 7 years of grad school/postdoc work between 2 pretty liberally-aligned universities (most science-heavy ones are). i became good friends with her labmates and fellow grad students along the way over those years - you hear stories and start putting together a picture. and i've got to hear plenty more now that she's a full time professor.
its not about the faculty you let in or how you vet them when they're hired, its who gets purged out and aggressively blackballed at these places which determines the culture, and then that aggressively intolerant culture starts to homogenize within and becomes very entrenched. keep in mind many professors don't just teach, they have to get grants in order to do research and get results in order to keep their jobs. so while they may not "push views" outwardly, there is a definite workplace culture.
i'll use the science community as an example, particularly because those programs generally fancy themselves to be an institution of acceptance and objectivity, and i can tell you that isn't how it works. general culture varies from region to region but most science professors/techs/lecturers are liberal.
bring up your faith (that goes for christians, hindus, buddhist, etc) even in passing conversation, or hold generally conservative, or even moderate views at some of these schools? you are going to start stepping around land mines. people get their work sabotaged. samples contaminated. dropped from projects or cut off from collaborators or mentors that will deem you unworthy. no work means no results, and that means the grants dry up. soon enough its time to move along. it can be a very myopic culture.
now, this certainly isn't the golden rule, nor is it exclusive to only liberal schools. i've met some groups of students and teachers that are cool as hell and will have a beer with anyone at all because they're tolerant and level headed. but what i'm trying to show you is that in some bad cases, these cultures are bred from the inside and while new blood may be allowed through the front gate, often times you either keep your head low and march lockstep, or you'll eventually be looking for new work.
the solution for a more diverse faculty? time, strength in numbers, or candidates are going to look somewhere else...that's really all you can do.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - SlimKlim - 11-11-2016
WRXtranceformed Wrote:Hate has existed for millennia and it's going to continue to exist no matter how tolerant we become as a nation or who is in charge. The odds of state sponsored hate policy existing in this day and age are as likely as those dipshits in California actually seceding from the US. We've come a long way in terms of tolerance (although the left seems to be going backward) and acceptance as a people and that isn't going to change
While I agree with you, it's wrong to ignore the fact that Trump's election has legitimized and emboldened the worst bigots in our society. I can't find the article now, but black and muslim students have been harassed and assaulted since the election. One of the muslim women was told that she was going to be hung by her hijab soon enough. The black students have been assaulted and called n*****s.
Obviously these are anecdotal stories that my left-leaning NPR source are going to focus on after the election, confirmation bias and all that. My point is that it IS happening, no matter how few in number, and it shouldn't be brushed off as an irrational concern of intolerantly-tolerant liberals.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - WRXtranceformed - 11-11-2016
Mike Rowe again, with the elegance:
Quote:Off The Wall
Hey Mike. You’ve been very quiet. Everything OK? I just wanted you to know that I voted for you. I was also hoping you might explain what the hell happened on Tuesday, and say something to make me feel better about my fellow man. Thanks,
Carol Savoy
Hi Carol
Last Friday, my dog posted a video that featured a man licking a cat with the aid of a device that’s designed for the specific purpose of making it easier for people to lick their cats.I’ve been silent ever since, because frankly, I couldn’t think of a better way – metaphorical or otherwise - to express my feelings about this election cycle. The entire country it seems, has been preoccupied with finding a way to lick a cat without actually putting their tongue on it.
Too oblique? Too weird? Ok, how about this analysis:
Back in 2003, a very unusual TV pilot called Dirty Jobs, Forrest-Gumped its way onto The Discovery Channel and found an audience – a big one. For Discovery, this was a problem. You see, Dirty Jobs didn’t look like anything else on their channel. It wasn’t pretty or careful. It took place in sewers and septic tanks, and featured a subversive host in close contact with his 8-year old inner child who refused to do second takes. Everyone agreed that Dirty Jobs was totally “off-brand” and completely inappropriate for Discovery. Everyone but the viewers. The ratings were just too big to ignore, so the pilot got a green-light, and yours truly finally got a steady gig.
But here's the thing - Dirty Jobs didn’t resonate because the host was incredibly charming. It wasn’t a hit because it was gross, or irreverent, or funny, or silly, or smart, or terribly clever. Dirty Jobs succeeded because it was authentic. It spoke directly and candidly to a big chunk of the country that non-fiction networks had been completely ignoring. In a very simple way, Dirty Jobs said “Hey - we can see you,” to millions of regular people who had started to feel invisible. Ultimately, that’s why Dirty Jobs ran for eight seasons. And today, that’s also why Donald Trump is the President of the United States.
I know people are freaked out, Carol. I get it. I’m worried too. But not because of who we elected. We've survived 44 Presidents, and we'll survive this one too. I’m worried because millions of people now seem to believe that Trump supporters are racist, xenophobic, and uneducated misogynists. I'm worried because despising our candidates publicly is very different than despising the people who vote for them.
Last week, three old friends – people I’ve known for years - each requested to be “unfriended” by anyone who planned on voting for Trump. Honestly, that was disheartening. Who tosses away a friendship over an election? Are my friends turning into those mind-numbingly arrogant celebrities who threaten to move to another country if their candidate doesn’t win? Are my friends now convinced that people they’ve known for years who happen to disagree with them politically are not merely mistaken – but evil, and no longer worthy of their friendship?
For what it’s worth, Carol, I don’t think Donald Trump won by tapping into America’s “racist underbelly,” and I don’t think Hillary lost because she’s a woman. I think a majority of people who voted in this election did so in spite of their many misgivings about the character of both candidates. That’s why it’s very dangerous to argue that Clinton supporters condone lying under oath and obstructing justice. Just as it’s equally dangerous to suggest a Trump supporter condones gross generalizations about foreigners and women.
These two candidates were the choices we gave ourselves, and each came with a heaping helping of vulgarity and impropriety. Yeah, it was dirty job for sure, but the winner was NOT decided by a racist and craven nation – it was decided by millions of disgusted Americans desperate for real change. The people did not want a politician. The people wanted to be seen. Donald Trump convinced those people that he could see them. Hillary Clinton did not.
As for me, I’m flattered by your support, but grateful that your vote was not enough to push me over the top. However, when the dust settles, and The White House gets a new tenant, I’ll make the same offer to President Trump that I did to President Obama – to assist as best I can in any attempt to reinvigorate the skilled trades, and shine a light on millions of good jobs that no one seems excited about pursuing. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://bit.ly/2fG1SxI">http://bit.ly/2fG1SxI</a><!-- m -->
Like those 3 million “shovel ready” jobs we heard so much about eight years ago, the kind of recovery that Donald Trump is promising will require a workforce that’s properly trained and sufficiently enthused about the opportunities at hand. At the moment, we do not have that work force in place. What we do have, are tens of millions of capable people who have simply stopped looking for work, and millions of available jobs that no one aspires to do. That's the skills gap, and it's gotta close. If mikeroweWORKS can help, we're standing by.
If not, I suppose we'll just have to find another way to lick the cat.
Mike
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - JPolen01 - 11-11-2016
Cliff notes please.
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - WRXtranceformed - 11-11-2016
JPolen01 Wrote:Cliff notes please."For what it’s worth, Carol, I don’t think Donald Trump won by tapping into America’s “racist underbelly,” and I don’t think Hillary lost because she’s a woman. I think a majority of people who voted in this election did so in spite of their many misgivings about the character of both candidates. That’s why it’s very dangerous to argue that Clinton supporters condone lying under oath and obstructing justice. Just as it’s equally dangerous to suggest a Trump supporter condones gross generalizations about foreigners and women.
These two candidates were the choices we gave ourselves, and each came with a heaping helping of vulgarity and impropriety. Yeah, it was dirty job for sure, but the winner was NOT decided by a racist and craven nation – it was decided by millions of disgusted Americans desperate for real change. The people did not want a politician. The people wanted to be seen. Donald Trump convinced those people that he could see them. Hillary Clinton did not."
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - *insertusernamehere* - 11-11-2016
So this happened at work yesterday.
I'm closing in on a conversation that's been going on. They were talking about immigration.
60+yo coworkwer1: and I don't know why we have to have so many of them anyway...
60+yo coworker2: mmmhmm ya see all they do is cause trouble, who's country is it anyway
60+yo coworker1: we don't need anymore of them coming in here, we need to close them all out and stop it for good this is our damn country.
At this point I walked my immigrant ass right over (as their authority at work as well) and told them: aallrighty guys let's hold on to the politics for break time or when you're off the clock and let's just focus on work for now and keep cranking out truck, yeah?
60+yo coworker1: *condescendingly and loudly laughs, walks away*
60+yo coworker2: *silently looks at the ground, mean mugs, walk away*
2 minutes later I hear from the other side of the store, loud and clear, "make America great again".
Re: Electile Dysfunction (Current students plz look!) - *insertusernamehere* - 11-11-2016
I'm tired of hearing about Trump supporters who have their heads screwed on properly. I want to hear your thoughts on the "working class" who take the garbage Trump spewed in his campaign as preach. Tell me about them.