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RE: Automotive News Discussion - ScottyB - 08-10-2018
a mid engined vette was right up there with the new supra. the automotive yeti, couldn't be done, nothing but rumors. and here we are.
(08-10-2018, 08:32 AM)Evan Wrote:(08-10-2018, 08:31 AM)CaptainHenreh Wrote: So...is Chevy building an NSX, but right? And calling it a Corvette?
my exact reaction.
hopefully will be priced where the NSX should have been too
this, again.
pretty cool we'll get to see Chevy take on the GT40 on its terms now.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - D_Eclipse9916 - 08-10-2018
(08-10-2018, 08:32 AM)Evan Wrote:(08-10-2018, 08:31 AM)CaptainHenreh Wrote: So...is Chevy building an NSX, but right? And calling it a Corvette?
my exact reaction.
hopefully will be priced where the NSX should have been too
Hopefully they don't try to pull a NSX and shove it into a technological tour-de-force instead of just building a cool car.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 08-10-2018
Maaannn I told y'all like a year ago and y'all acted like I was:
![[Image: aliens-guy.jpeg]](https://www.cactushugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/aliens-guy.jpeg)
I think the base model will probably be a good deal under $100k, with the Z06 at or above $100k. I expect it'll be more expensive across the board than the C7 and will price some people out at the low end. But on the high end this might be the car that pulls a lot of customer away from Porsche, and eats into the used car market for Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari, Audi, et al.
Every generation since the C5, GM has slowly chipped away at all the things I disliked about the Corvette. Now I'm at the point where I have to seriously consider taking the plunge. If they come through with that 9k rpm 5.5 DOHC V8 that's been rumored...I don't think I'd be strong enough to resist.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - JPolen01 - 08-10-2018
(08-10-2018, 09:59 AM)ScottyB Wrote: pretty cool we'll get to see Chevy take on the GT40 on its terms now.
Ahem, the Ford GT.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 08-10-2018
(08-10-2018, 10:34 AM)D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:(08-10-2018, 08:32 AM)Evan Wrote:(08-10-2018, 08:31 AM)CaptainHenreh Wrote: So...is Chevy building an NSX, but right? And calling it a Corvette?
my exact reaction.
hopefully will be priced where the NSX should have been too
Hopefully they don't try to pull a NSX and shove it into a technological tour-de-force instead of just building a cool car.
I can almost 100% guarantee you that GM won't make that mistake. It seems like the Corvette team truly understands that if you start with keeping things simple, powerful, and light; performance will follow. Instead of showing off technology for technology's sake (RJ calls this 'technowankery') they only put in technology that is gonna make the car faster at the right price point. So people make fun of the leaf springs or whatever, but GM doesn't care, they just win (until they overheat).
The 2nd gen NSX was all but doomed from the start because they wanted to put in the eSH-AWD system, come hell or high water. The sad thing is that the Honda CEO at the time probably wouldn't have greenlit the project without the commitment to a hybrid drivetrain, but in doing so they ensured that they'd have a really hard time making the car fast and keeping costs under control. An automotive catch 22 if there ever was one.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - .RJ - 08-10-2018
Ah, one of my favorite automotive fallacies
RE: Automotive News Discussion - D_Eclipse9916 - 08-10-2018
(08-10-2018, 10:37 AM)G.Irish Wrote: If they come through with that 9k rpm 5.5 DOHC V8 that's been rumored...I don't think I'd be strong enough to resist.
Wat....gimme displacement or give me death...or just a used C6 z06. Either way
RE: Automotive News Discussion - Evan - 08-10-2018
(08-10-2018, 10:37 AM)G.Irish Wrote: Maaannn I told y'all like a year ago and y'all acted like I was:Come on dont pretend like a mid engine corvette rumors havent existed even before halflife 3 rumors.
Quote:I think the base model will probably be a good deal under $100k, with the Z06 at or above $100k. I expect it'll be more expensive across the board than the C7 and will price some people out at the low end. But on the high end this might be the car that pulls a lot of customer away from Porsche, and eats into the used car market for Porsche, McLaren, Ferrari, Audi, et al.the car rags seem to think it will hit $70k I think 100k is a lot more realistic.
Quote:If they come through with that 9k rpm 5.5 DOHC V8 that's been rumored...I don't think I'd be strong enough to resist.Lotus Exige for sale. And a kidney.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - Steve85 - 08-10-2018
I sort of get the NSX thing, but I guess knowing it's a vette, my first thought was "cab forward C7"
![[Image: OftvLBl.jpg]](https://i.imgur.com/OftvLBl.jpg)
Jesus might be weeping but Zora Arkus-Duntov who saved the car a long time ago is wiping his tears and consoling him. I doubt they can support two cars that would cannabalize each other, but it wouldn't be shocking to see them continue with the front engine Corvette and introduce this model as the "Zora".
RE: Automotive News Discussion - RawrImAMonster - 08-10-2018
I'm excited to see the new one based on that side by side. I wasn't ever a huge fan of the rear on the c7. Hopefully the get rid of the weird mask around the taillights and the huge black piece at the bottom.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - Steve85 - 08-10-2018
Yeah, was never a huge fan of the rear either. Here is a shot of the rear bumper (fourth photo), looks like there won't be as much panel under the lights to create that black billboard.
![[Image: NkJTDQS.jpg]](https://i.imgur.com/NkJTDQS.jpg)
RE: Automotive News Discussion - Apoc - 08-10-2018
For me, the long hood was always a hallmark of the Corvette.
This thing is totes an American NSX.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - .RJ - 08-10-2018
blown spoiler... that word does not mean what they think it means
RE: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 08-11-2018
(08-10-2018, 05:17 PM).RJ Wrote: blown spoiler... that word does not mean what they think it meansYeah like, wtf? You took the time to make that diagram but you couldn't take the time to learn what a blown spoiler is? [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]
Speaking of which, I wonder when we'll see the first production car with a blown diffuser. The 600LT is routing exhaust gas over the rear spoiler but no one has done a real blown diffuser yet. Maybe the Mclaren Speedtail, MB Project One, or the Aston Martin Valkyrie will be the first. Gonna make for some insane closing speeds at track days.
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RE: Automotive News Discussion - BLINGMW - 08-11-2018
I'm sure it might be done for cool points, but the exhaust flow must be pretty insignificant compared to the air displaced by and moving over a (street) car. And unless the engine's going to keep pushing air when you let off the throttle, that little extra downforce goes away when you actually need it.
And I'm still calling this USA NSX a Corvair.
RE: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 08-12-2018
(08-11-2018, 08:21 PM)BLINGMW Wrote: I'm sure it might be done for cool points, but the exhaust flow must be pretty insignificant compared to the air displaced by and moving over a (street) car. And unless the engine's going to keep pushing air when you let off the throttle, that little extra downforce goes away when you actually need it.Yeah I'd have to read up on formula 1 tech articles to get an idea of how much downforce blown diffusers added. I wanna say they were only allowed for 2 or 3 seasons before they got banned. And in that last season one of the teams using it dominated.
And I'm still calling this USA NSX a Corvair.
One might think it wouldn't work well for a street car, but in the case of these hypercars they'll all have well over 1000 hp, which may actually be more than the 2.4L V8's had, and they don't have to meet any aero regulations so they have more technical freedom to take advantage of trick aerodynamic setups (movable aero being chief among them).
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Automotive News Discussion - D_Eclipse9916 - 08-12-2018
(08-12-2018, 05:47 AM)G.Irish Wrote:(08-11-2018, 08:21 PM)BLINGMW Wrote: I'm sure it might be done for cool points, but the exhaust flow must be pretty insignificant compared to the air displaced by and moving over a (street) car. And unless the engine's going to keep pushing air when you let off the throttle, that little extra downforce goes away when you actually need it.Yeah I'd have to read up on formula 1 tech articles to get an idea of how much downforce blown diffusers added. I wanna say they were only allowed for 2 or 3 seasons before they got banned. And in that last season one of the teams using it dominated.
And I'm still calling this USA NSX a Corvair.
One might think it wouldn't work well for a street car, but in the case of these hypercars they'll all have well over 1000 hp, which may actually be more than the 2.4L V8's had, and they don't have to meet any aero regulations so they have more technical freedom to take advantage of trick aerodynamic setups (movable aero being chief among them).
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They were very effective but also used their advanced engine management to continue pumping air through the motor to continue downforce
RE: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 08-12-2018
(08-12-2018, 08:19 AM)D_Eclipse9916 Wrote:I would think it'd be no problem to make that work for any of the hypercars then particularly the Valkyrie(08-12-2018, 05:47 AM)G.Irish Wrote:(08-11-2018, 08:21 PM)BLINGMW Wrote: I'm sure it might be done for cool points, but the exhaust flow must be pretty insignificant compared to the air displaced by and moving over a (street) car. And unless the engine's going to keep pushing air when you let off the throttle, that little extra downforce goes away when you actually need it.Yeah I'd have to read up on formula 1 tech articles to get an idea of how much downforce blown diffusers added. I wanna say they were only allowed for 2 or 3 seasons before they got banned. And in that last season one of the teams using it dominated.
And I'm still calling this USA NSX a Corvair.
One might think it wouldn't work well for a street car, but in the case of these hypercars they'll all have well over 1000 hp, which may actually be more than the 2.4L V8's had, and they don't have to meet any aero regulations so they have more technical freedom to take advantage of trick aerodynamic setups (movable aero being chief among them).
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They were very effective but also used their advanced engine management to continue pumping air through the motor to continue downforce
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RE: Automotive News Discussion - Evan - 08-12-2018
(08-11-2018, 08:21 PM)BLINGMW Wrote: And unless the engine's going to keep pushing air when you let off the throttle, that little extra downforce goes away when you actually need it.
The redbull cars did that for a couple years. Sounded like absolute ass. Like an million old men hacking out their lungs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OnYOdEFi4s
Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 08-13-2018
Haha yeah but I would put up with that if we got to have the 2.4L V8's again. The turbo 6's sounds [emoji42][emoji42][emoji42]
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