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- BLINGMW - 09-30-2008
WRXtranceformed Wrote:I really don't care either way because I think our country is fucked no matter which set of crooks enters the office right now
rezarxt Wrote:I also think she is too religious to be a VP. Religion/politics shouldnt mix in this day and age IMO.
so.... you guys are both going to vote for Bob Barr with me then, right?
- WRXtranceformed - 09-30-2008
Not voting, see other thread.
- Maengelito - 09-30-2008
WRXtranceformed Wrote:If that bitch became president I would seriously consider packing up and leaving.
Maengelito Wrote:JackoliciousLegs Wrote:My plan is to pedal my way up to canada :-)
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- Hunter - 09-30-2008
I want to move to Vancouver, that place is awesome.
In news relative to the thread, Jack Cafferty really doesn't like Sara Palin, so much so that it almost makes me uncomfortable.
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- Maengelito - 09-30-2008
JackoliciousLegs Wrote:Like it or not, she came off as an idiot spouting talking points word for word during the Couric interview. Compared to that interview where Obama actually set papa bear straight a few times, the Couric interview seemed like a COMPLETE slaughter. I cannot express the level of disdain I'll feel for the American people if they allow someone of that exceptional caliber into the 2nd highest office in our country.
because Biden doesnt spout out any retardedness either... :roll:
while no one was impressed with Palin during that interview, its not like the alternative always says the right thing and comes off being squeaky clean on camera.
I can't wait until this shit is over, I hate election season
- Evan - 10-03-2008
Hunter Wrote:I'm not saying Obama doesn't have to answer those questions, he obviously does.He has'nt, and thats my point. A primetime one on one sitdown interview is the perfect opportunity, but the media is treating Obama with kids gloves. That is my point, the double standard and media infatution with Obama.
Quote: But anyone with the internet can pull up quotes and stances on Georgia/Russia, NATO, Al Qaeda, Pakistan, etc. for Obama, McCain, and Biden within a couple minutes.Youtube is a replacement for good journalism? Are you serious? And see above, Obama is notorious for talking in high level ideas without detail, and meaningless platitudes. Especially 3 months ago when that interview took place. He hasnt been held accountable on his past, his voting record, etc etc.
And for all the dirt the media has tried to dig up on Palin, I havent heard once anyone mention Joe Biden's lawschool cheating scandals, plaigarism scandals, and academic record that ended his first presidential campaign.
Quote:A large percentage of the country though Barack Obama was a Muslim when that interview happenedwell it sure doesnt help when he says "my muslim faith" in an interview, now does it?
Quote:He agreed to do interviews with Bill O'Reily, who has certainly shown a bias or two in his day, and he looked a hell of a lot better than Palin did with Katie Couric.so you're saying that Fox is the only network giving fair coverage and holding Obama to the issues? Sounds about right. :lol:
oh and Jack, drop the condescending bullshit. Bring tech to the discussion.
- Evan - 10-03-2008
noteworthy fact: the moderator for last nights debate is writing an Obama book and is an admitted Obama supporter.
One thing is for sure, the media hit-job on Palin to try to make her look 'stupid' sure was exposed. If you still think she is stupid you dont have a pulse.
She out-manuevered Biden, drove points home better, spoke well while Biden just looked like the same old political shuckster. The faking getting choked up was downright pathetic. I wouldnt even buy a used car from that guy.
Surprise was how well she beat him on foreign policy.
of course, the media and all the leftys are justifying her performance as "the bar was set so low"
- Apoc - 10-03-2008
OMG it's a conspiracy!!
I don't think anyone thought she was stupid before, just completely unremarkable.
- ViPER1313 - 10-03-2008
Evan,
You are right. We are trying to take all your guns, make Palin look retarded through crafty interview questions, and socialize everything under the sun. Oh yeah, and Obama really is a closet Muslim - Osama came to his 3rd grade birthday party.
Sincerely,
Those Sneaky Left-Wing Bastards
- .RJ - 10-03-2008
ViPER1313 Wrote:We are trying to take all your guns, make Palin look retarded through crafty interview questions, and socialize everything under the sun.
Well its true :dunno:
Socialist health care. Increased gun control. Increased gov't spending. Increased taxation (especially on businesses where it hurts the most - gotta get those evil oil companies!). :dunno:
The obamessiah said it himself :dunno:
I think the guy is a great public speaker and he's very engaging but I just cant agree with his policies or his very recent political ties. I dont think its the right path and its more of the same BS that we've seen before.
Of course, if 'McSame' wins (trying to play along) it remains to be seen if they really can reduce spending and the size of gov't as promised.
- G.Irish - 10-03-2008
What I don't understand about the whole "Obama is gonna raise taxes" thing is how people expect us to pay for all these expensive messes we've gotten ourselves into. Almost a trillion dollars spent on Iraq? Lower taxes. 10 trillion dollar deficit? Lower taxes. $700 billion bank bailout? Lower taxes. Then people wonder why the American dollar is worth less than toilet paper.
The funny thing about Obama's tax raise for people making over $250k a year is that it simply returns to the tax rate to what it was for those people under Reagan. So I guess we're really saying Reagan was a bad president.
At any rate, foolishly borrowing money is what brought us this economic crisis in the first place. How is lowering taxes and not lowering spending going to get us a different result?
And speaking of the economic crisis, it's funny that now the McCain ticket is saying Wall St. needs more regulation when McCain has historically been fighting for deregulation. But maybe that means he's capable of learning and changing his views which the current president has been slow to do.
- G.Irish - 10-03-2008
Evan Wrote:One thing is for sure, the media hit-job on Palin to try to make her look 'stupid' sure was exposed. If you still think she is stupid you dont have a pulse.
Sorry but she answered several questions poorly. The mean old media didn't answer for her, she had plenty of perfectly good opportunities to answer those interview questions and acquit herself. She didn't know who Hamas was (or if she did, she didn't let it on). She said that being next to Russia counts as foreign policy experience.
Maybe she just doesn't interview very well who knows. At any rate I think she acquitted herself well in the debate. On more than one question she didn't answer at all, but at least she showed that she's smarter than her interviews showed.
- Kaan - 10-03-2008
G.Irish Wrote:So I guess we're really saying Reagan was a bad president.
dont you dare!
- G.Irish - 10-03-2008
Kaan Wrote:Don't worry, I wouldn't.G.Irish Wrote:So I guess we're really saying Reagan was a bad president.
dont you dare!
- Goodspeed - 10-03-2008
Beyond all the partisan debate, my thoughts are basically such, I can't allow Palin to become VP. How anyone with such a lack of experience could possibly rise to such a position is beyond me, and I think many in the GOP realize this. The crutches by which she is held within the party are so evident...I highlight Karl Rove's bashing of Governor Tim Kaine, citing his inexperience as, at one time, only mayor of Richmond, then praising Palin's experience within Alaska as an example.
After viewing as much of the debate as I cared to, I realized that Palin can stand up and rely on memorized facts, she can obviously speak when given material. But when it comes to her knowledge, she babbles in nearly incoherent statements.
Besides the fact I don't want someone who believes the Bible as literal truth, I feel she appeals to our nation's lowest common denominator with her folksy generalities, and its sad.
- stevegula - 10-03-2008
G.Irish Wrote:What I don't understand about the whole "Obama is gonna raise taxes" thing is how people expect us to pay for all these expensive messes we've gotten ourselves into. Almost a trillion dollars spent on Iraq? Lower taxes. 10 trillion dollar deficit? Lower taxes. $700 billion bank bailout? Lower taxes. Then people wonder why the American dollar is worth less than toilet paper.Simple, quit doing those things that cost so much money. Then you don't have to raise taxes. I can pay off debt I incurred last year by not incurring more debt this year if my income stays the same.
- .RJ - 10-03-2008
Goodspeed Wrote:Beyond all the partisan debate, my thoughts are basically such, I can't allow Palin to become VP. How anyone with such a lack of experience could possibly rise to such a position is beyond me,
Please explain to me what qualifications Obama has to be POTUS that Sarah Palin does not have to be VPOTUS.
Goodspeed Wrote:But when it comes to her knowledge, she babbles in nearly incoherent statements.
And Biden doesnt shove his foot in his mouth on a regular basis?
"Stand up Chuck!"
Goodspeed Wrote:Besides the fact I don't want someone who believes the Bible as literal truth
Source?
Goodspeed Wrote:I feel she appeals to our nation's lowest common denominator with her folksy generalities, and its sad.
Maybe its better we have someone like that in the mix than someone that isnt a product of the political machine in Washington - and the past 16 years of presidents were governors before they were elected.
At least you dont mark her off for saying nookyoolar :lol:
- Kaan - 10-03-2008
Goodspeed Wrote:Beyond all the partisan debate, my thoughts are basically such, I can't allow Palin to become VP. How anyone with such a lack of experience could possibly rise to such a position is beyond me, and I think many in the GOP realize this. The crutches by which she is held within the party are so evident...I highlight Karl Rove's bashing of Governor Tim Kaine, citing his inexperience as, at one time, only mayor of Richmond, then praising Palin's experience within Alaska as an example.
After viewing as much of the debate as I cared to, I realized that Palin can stand up and rely on memorized facts, she can obviously speak when given material. But when it comes to her knowledge, she babbles in nearly incoherent statements.
Besides the fact I don't want someone who believes the Bible as literal truth, I feel she appeals to our nation's lowest common denominator with her folksy generalities, and its sad.
And i cant vote for someone tied to the Albanian groups... Mr. Biden.
- G.Irish - 10-03-2008
Quote:Beyond all the partisan debate, my thoughts are basically such, I can't allow Palin to become VP. How anyone with such a lack of experience could possibly rise to such a position is beyond me, and I think many in the GOP realize this.You can't just discount her because of 'experience'. Abe Lincoln was 'inexperienced' too and he turned out to be a great president. You have to look at what she's done, what she plans to do, and what her policy positions are.
Somehow who put a town of ~6,000 into millions of dollars of debt is unlikely to be a good steward of the federal budget. The fact that she's currently under investigation for an ethics violation indicates that she may not be ethical enough to be in the executive branch. Her views on abstinence only sex education are bass ackwards, as proven in her own household. Her woeful lack of knowledge on foreign policy means she's not going to be much help in that arena to McCain and would be disastrous if she had to assume the role of the president.
I've seen enough there to know I don't want her as VP. There are other women in the GOP that would've been better than her.
stevegula Wrote:Agreed.G.Irish Wrote:What I don't understand about the whole "Obama is gonna raise taxes" thing is how people expect us to pay for all these expensive messes we've gotten ourselves into. Almost a trillion dollars spent on Iraq? Lower taxes. 10 trillion dollar deficit? Lower taxes. $700 billion bank bailout? Lower taxes. Then people wonder why the American dollar is worth less than toilet paper.Simple, quit doing those things that cost so much money. Then you don't have to raise taxes. I can pay off debt I incurred last year by not incurring more debt this year if my income stays the same.
- CaptainHenreh - 10-03-2008
Goodspeed, you're a little young to have all of your faith lost in the united states political process, but I have news for you:
#1: If someone in politics talks about a political subject, it is 100% guaranteed that they don't know jack shit about it.
#2: Experience doesn't mean shit. George W. Bush had as much experience as anyone else, and we can all agree he isn't the best president we ever had.
#3: Nobody right now has ANY legitimate experience at executive government.
#4: Every politician appeals to the lowest common denominator during public presentation. They appeal to the highest in private.
#5: The "other guy" always sucks.
#6: The reality no matter who's elected: We're fucked.
Nothing either candidate or their running mate has said has even come CLOSE to convincing me that they are qualified to lead this country. They all speak in vague talking points, and nobody has any real plan to really do good by Americans because right now their ONLY CONCERN is to win this election. They don't give a shit about anything else, and if you think they do, you probably should take a step back and look at this circus.