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Children please. Not sure what sharing a warranty invoice has to do with anything other than to prove my point that owning a nice car out of warranty should give you second thoughts. But if we're going that route, why don't some of you kids start snatching up some 997 911's and prove me wrong? Or better yet, why not scoop up a Phaeton instead of a 4 year old GTI and let me know how that goes?

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Children please. Not sure what sharing a warranty invoice has to do with anything other than to prove my point that owning a nice car out of warranty should give you second thoughts. But if we're going that route, why don't some of you kids start snatching up some 997 911's and prove me wrong? Or better yet, why not scoop up a Phaeton instead of a 4 year old GTI and let me know how that goes?

Jake Wrote:It's the "Holier than thou because I hath a Jaaaaag" attitude that we are hating on, Lee. You made a well-intended but ill-informed comment about servicing the Audi vs. a VW, Joey attempted to clarify and show how similar they are, and suddenly we're all "kids" who clearly know less than you?

I've got an out-of-warranty 2009 BMW and another 17-year-old BMW in the garage. Do you really think I don't know what it costs to own and maintain these "luxury" cars? And to buy parts for them? I've kept old BMWs alive on a shoestring budget for years.

An Audi is not some mythical wagon that's running on unicorn blood and prayers... it's a VW with nicer trim and AWD. A lot of "luxury" cars (I keep putting that in quotes because really, the term is relative) are not any harder to work on than a Ford or Chevy. A lot of parts are shared with other VAG products.

I know I've never met you in person, and Rexy says you're a nice guy, but based on your posts, your attitude sucks.

SlimKlim Wrote:You also can't compare dealership services costs of a vehicle under warranty to something out of warranty. You're not going to fret over every little rattle or minor issue on a car when you're entirely responsible for the repair costs, whereas under warranty you (rightly so) expect the car to be 100% perfect.

WRXtranceformed Wrote:I would personally take the advice of dealers

WRXtranceformed Wrote:You make some good points and I hear you on the experience with those cars. I have avoided them all on purpose, although the next one may be a big dive into a hot and sweaty VAG. This quote is exactly what I posted at the same time so I think we are seeing eye to eye on that. A lot of owners (myself included) are not okay with a peeling dash, or a creaky sunroof, or a constant CEL, or rough idles. For me it's not because I am better than everyone else (per Jake's suggestion) but more because I spend more time in my car than I spend at home sometimes. I NEED to not be bothered by stuff like this or I would go crazy. Maybe that will give you guys some insight into the depths of my soul.

SlimKlim Wrote:

WRXtranceformed Wrote:I would personally take the advice of dealers

At least around here, you might as well just have your paycheck deposited directly to the dealership with that sort of logic. I've just about had a nosebleed over the downright unethical shit I've experienced at a dealership. I stupidly brought my car to the BMW dealer in Sterling for an inspection and they told me it failed because the rear shocks were blown and the rear upper ball joints had excessive play and quoted me $2,000+ to replace them. The shocks were brand new, personally installed by me, less than 300 miles before getting that inspection, and to my knowledge the '95s don't have upper rear ball joints.

The same dealer told an old coworker the clunking sound he was hearing in his X5 was a bad tierod or possibly a wheel bearing. I convinced him to take it to my shop for a 2nd opinion before forking over $1k+ for them to replace the parts, and low and fuckin' behold the tie rods and wheel bearings were in impeccable shape. With the vehicle running on the lift, even a non-car person could've pointed to the front diff as the source of the noise. It's obvious the dealership figured he'd balk at the $5k+ quote to replace the diff and figured they'd try a slow bleed method instead. My shop found a good deal on a rebuilt diff and installed it for half of what the dealer would charge.

A huge dealer does not have your best interests at heart, nor are they more knowledgeable than a trustworthy indy shop. Doing business with them is like lighting money on fire IMO.

Mike Wrote:This got hot and heavy. I got a great deal on this car because I was able to use "oh, but the ISSUES" to great effect. 1.5 year warranty will give me teething time. It's allllll good. And realistically, all cars suck. Even modern domestic or asian cars aren't cheap to work on yourself anymore. And heaven knows (based on the infinite recalls you see anymore) that they're not reliable, either.

And for the record, Lee is a great guy. He's just a little more braaaahhhhhh and into flashy things than many of us. It is good to keep him around so you can bust his balls over it

We all make decisions regarding cars that might cause head scratching by others here, but I think out of the general population we make amazingly educated choices. I'm not sure anyone has had a purchase that wasn't too well thought out and later regretted? Well, unless you throw out Chapin (V6 Mustang and 300ZX) and Feersty (motorcycle).

Mike Wrote:And realistically, all cars suck. Even modern domestic or asian cars aren't cheap to work on yourself anymore. And heaven knows (based on the infinite recalls you see anymore) that they're not reliable, either.

Apoc Wrote:I had my Subaru for six years; never in the shop once.

My S4, on the other hand, spent a collective total of about a month at the dealer in three years.

Ironically, I think the Subaru was my single greatest regret in car buying.

Jake Wrote:If nothing else, I think we can all agree that we need to find someone who's active military, stat.



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