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Re: Automotive News Discussion - ScottyB - 06-06-2017
i'd gladly take a 20 or 30 hp loss to get back the old high revving honda powerplants of the golden years. those cars were exciting, and WANTED to be thrashed. you had to drive them like a maniac to get a return. that's as much a honda characteristic as the rotary is to mazda or flat 6's are to porsche. neat car, but i'd be hard pressed to want one over the better turbo car....a GTI
Re: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 06-06-2017
ScottyB Wrote:i'd gladly take a 20 or 30 hp loss to get back the old high revving honda powerplants of the golden years. those cars were exciting, and WANTED to be thrashed. you had to drive them like a maniac to get a return. that's as much a honda characteristic as the rotary is to mazda or flat 6's are to porsche. neat car, but i'd be hard pressed to want one over the better turbo car....a GTIYeah it's a real shame that FE and emissions regs have killed high-revving powerplants.
And really you bring up a great point. It's one thing to give up a bit of power to have a fun high-revving powerplant from Honda. But if you don't get that n/a powerplant, the turbo engine has to make up for it somehow. If it doesn't have as much or more hp as the competition, it really hurts the argument for the car.
It does have the adaptive suspension, but I kinda feel like that's only a net-positive if the 'sport' mode is more aggressive than what a Si suspension normally would've been. A typical Si's suspension was never really that harsh to begin with, so you don't need a 'soft' mode just to provide respite from something that was mildly firm to begin with.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - SlimKlim - 06-06-2017
ScottyB Wrote:i'd gladly take a 20 or 30 hp loss to get back the old high revving honda powerplants of the golden years. those cars were exciting, and WANTED to be thrashed. you had to drive them like a maniac to get a return. that's as much a honda characteristic as the rotary is to mazda or flat 6's are to porsche. neat car, but i'd be hard pressed to want one over the better turbo car....a GTI
You'd only have to give up 10hp, didn't the Type R make like 195hp?
The comparison to the Mazda3 really shows how unimpressive the new Si is IMO. If you and your passenger's having a heavy lunch could cancel out the power advantage your "hot hatch(ish)" has over a non-hot model, then something is wrong.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 06-06-2017
SlimKlim Wrote:Better point of comparison would be the 2006-2011 Si, which had about 200 hp at 8000 rpm.ScottyB Wrote:i'd gladly take a 20 or 30 hp loss to get back the old high revving honda powerplants of the golden years. those cars were exciting, and WANTED to be thrashed. you had to drive them like a maniac to get a return. that's as much a honda characteristic as the rotary is to mazda or flat 6's are to porsche. neat car, but i'd be hard pressed to want one over the better turbo car....a GTI
You'd only have to give up 10hp, didn't the Type R make like 195hp?
Quote:The comparison to the Mazda3 really shows how unimpressive the new Si is IMO. If you and your passenger's having a heavy lunch could cancel out the power advantage your "hot hatch(ish)" has over a non-hot model, then something is wrong.Not really. The regular Civic Hatchback that's rated at about 180 hp, is a half-second faster to 60 than the 3 S, at about 6.2. I don't expect the Si to be massively faster than that due to traction limitations but it should be around 6 seconds flat.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - Scott - 06-06-2017
G.Irish Wrote:The GTI typically has the best interior in the segment, followed by the Mazda 3. However, the 3 doesn't have a sport version anymore so it's out of the convo.
The 3 doesn't need a sports version since the standard is more than capable. Could it use more power? Yes. But for what it is, it's great. Plus you can get the 3 pedal, with a sunroof and leather.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - ScottyB - 06-06-2017
SlimKlim Wrote:You'd only have to give up 10hp, didn't the Type R make like 195hp?
right, just being hyperbolic. of course those engines also make, like, zero torque but its part of the game you sign up for with that kind of driving dynamic.
you can certainly make a fun turbo engine, but it seems like the unoffensive mass production methods demand and engine that gives you the undramatic, early power and tapers off, and that doesn't fit the Si name.
hoping the R will get something that feels like an event instead of a big easy push.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - G.Irish - 06-06-2017
I think it's pretty hard to make a turbo engine that is quite as exhilarating as the best n/a powerplants. Even driving a 488 and 458 back to back, I'd much rather have the 458, even though the 488 was stupidly fast. Mo revs, mo betta.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - JPolen01 - 06-12-2017
So Autoguide is reporting that the new Accord won't have a V6 option - only the turbo 4 from the Civic Type R. Now I don't give two fucks about the Accord, but there is a bigger issue here. Are we going to see the V6 start to disappear due to emissions regulations? <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2017/06/2018-honda-accord-kills-the-v6-adds-type-r-engine.html">http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2017 ... ngine.html</a><!-- m -->
Re: Automotive News Discussion - SlimKlim - 06-12-2017
JPolen01 Wrote:Are we going to see the V6 start to disappear due to emissions regulations?
Yes.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - *insertusernamehere* - 06-12-2017
SlimKlim Wrote:ShameJPolen01 Wrote:Are we going to see the V6 start to disappear due to emissions regulations?
Yes.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - CaptainHenreh - 06-12-2017
SlimKlim Wrote:JPolen01 Wrote:Are we going to see the V6 start to disappear due to emissions regulations?
Yes.
Just the way it is. Turbo fours are easier, make the same hp, less emissions. They've always been a weird middle child and now they're going to die, just like the Straight Eight did.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - SlimKlim - 06-12-2017
On the other side of the coin manufacturers are also walking back the ultra-miniaturization trend now that people are realizing that 1.0Ls and 1.5Ls are only more efficient in an engineer's fantasy land, but are more or less just as dirty as a bigger engine because you have to constantly dump a bunch of boost and fuel into it to get it out of it's own way.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - Senor_Taylor - 06-12-2017
I don't think V6's will disappear entirely like the Straight 8. There is a place where they may be needed.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - JPolen01 - 06-14-2017
How have we collectively missed this gem? Jaguar is bringing the XF Sportbrake to the land of the Free :bow:
But wow is it gonna be expensive. Only engine is the V6S and it will start at $71,445.
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Re: Automotive News Discussion - SlimKlim - 06-14-2017
I predict seven of them will sell over 3 years and they'll pull the plug on the model, then they'll get passed around between collectors for 4x retail price because everyone fucking wants one all of a sudden.
Re: Automotive News Discussion - rherold9 - 06-14-2017
Wow, now that's a wagon that gets me real excited
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Re: Automotive News Discussion - *insertusernamehere* - 06-14-2017
*hot and bothered*
Re: Automotive News Discussion - BLINGMW - 06-14-2017
Sportbrake? Running out of names I guess :dunno:
Re: Automotive News Discussion - HAULN-SS - 06-14-2017
Im just sad that there aren't any hot looking wagons approx 4-7 years old that I can buy right now =(
Re: Automotive News Discussion - *insertusernamehere* - 06-16-2017
HAULN-SS Wrote:Im just sad that there aren't any hot looking wagons approx 4-7 years old that I can buy right now =(Nah you just lack imagination and taste. There's plenty.