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Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - Kaan - 09-28-2011
i'm searching the Hondata forum and it doesnt look like i'm in luck. i'll probably have to end up with a full blown lap top.
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - WRXtranceformed - 09-28-2011
Chris did you try rooting the TF yet? It's sick
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - Apoc - 09-28-2011
WRXtranceformed Wrote:Chris did you try rooting the TF yet? It's sick
I've got a game I'm like 90% of the way through. I'll prolly root after that.
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - Evan - 09-28-2011
Kaan Wrote:maybe i'm asking too much... but anyone know if there is a tablet that will let me edit and manage hondata software? I'm not trying to cheat or anythingIve got a 5 year old laptop you can have dirty cheap if you want it. works great, runs XP fine.i just want to be able to plug something in and lower the rev limiter before someone borrows my car.
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - Evan - 09-28-2011
JustinG Wrote:Amazon Fire.....
Android based, Dual Core, Wifi, 7in screen, $199.
CLICKY POW
Thoughts? I kinda want.
pretty slick and the price point is awesome, but it seems a little too tailored to the amazon ecosystem to be a full blown general purpose tablet. no camera, no speaker, no google appstore, little ram, little storage, amazons own custom OS build (not that it wont be rooted in 3.4 seconds....)
I do really like the 7" form factor though. might consider picking one up.
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - WRXtranceformed - 09-28-2011
BTW i finally beat the first gun bros planet all the way through just to do it. You get a congrats screen and that's it...none of the new worlds are opened up or anything. In case you were wondering!
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - Apoc - 09-28-2011
Yeeeaaahhh... I didn't even bothering reinstalling when I flashed my TF to fix the password issue. Don't miss it at all.
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - Evan - 09-30-2011
I love it
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how Google has called Android "open source" Ive always thought was horseshit in actual implementation. Im glad Amazon has turned around and stuck it up their ass
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - G.Irish - 09-30-2011
Evan Wrote:I love itHow so? Honeycomb is the only version of Android that hasn't been open sourced. If Android weren't open source, Amazon would not have been able to use it as the base to build their tablet. Amazon certainly couldn't have taken iOS, webOS, or QNX to build a tablet. Not for free anyway. And it's not like Google even lifted a finger to try to stop the Amazon Appstore in any way. Anyone who owns an Android device can use either app store. And if anyone else wants to start an Android app store, they could too.
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how Google has called Android "open source" Ive always thought was horseshit in actual implementation. Im glad Amazon has turned around and stuck it up their ass
Google hasn't managed Android the same way a typical FOSS project is run, but "open source" doesn't mean that you have to run it a certain way. It just means anyone can download the source code and do what they want with it. With the exception of Honeycomb, that's just what Android is.
Amazon's end run around the closed source of Honeycomb really just means Amazon didn't want to wait for Ice Cream Sandwich to drop. Doesn't seem like a big deal to me :dunno:
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - Evan - 09-30-2011
horseshit in implementation
android is nothing without android market and google apps. which google charges for. thats not open source.
there were some leaked internal emails floating around a few months ago with a bunch of great quotes from upper android management talking about how they use android market to get money out of device makers and manipulate them by threatening to pull access. motorola had put a competing map app on one of their devices, and google threatened to pull access if they didnt change it.
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - CaptainHenreh - 09-30-2011
I'm a bit in Evan's camp. Since the android market is both not FOSS *and* not freely distributable, android, IMHO, falls a bit short on the whole "open source" thing. I mean sure, the OS is technically open source. But if the very method by which you install applications is closed source, it's kind of a lame duck. (If you ask me) At least where the OS design is concerned. It's fucking *hard* to sideload an application, in contrast to, say, a PC. This is where android has a big failing.
But yes, you're right. Other than honeycomb (oh, and by the way, why the fuck NOT?) all the other versions have freely available source code.
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - G.Irish - 09-30-2011
Evan Wrote:horseshit in implementationYeah but that's add on stuff to the OS. If you don't like Google's price or policies with the market or Google Apps, you can build your own. No one is forcing you to use it.
android is nothing without android market and google apps. which google charges for. thats not open source.
there were some leaked internal emails floating around a few months ago with a bunch of great quotes from upper android management talking about how they use android market to get money out of device makers and manipulate them by threatening to pull access. motorola had put a competing map app on one of their devices, and google threatened to pull access if they didnt change it.
Sure, you'd have a very hard time being successful if you're not on Android market but it's still a choice you can make. Amazon did. Again, the OS is open source and free. Open source doesn't mean that you can't charge for a value add like the Android market or Google Apps.
The problem is that the handset manufacturers by and large don't have the expertise, resources, or will to build a competing ecosystem. Amazon is apparently the only one with the balls and ability.
The thing about that article that strikes me as kind of silly, is he makes it sound like Amazon pulled this master stroke of outsmarting Google, like Google did not foresee that someone could fork off Android and do their own version with their own store.
As far as Honeycomb not being open-sourced I'm still not really sure what happened there. Honeycomb was meant as an interim release that only applied to tablets, so maybe the reason was that they didn't want to put out a sort of dead-end branch of the OS. Or maybe Google decided not to open source Honeycomb in order to slow Amazon down in their attempt to build a competing tablet (since it looks like Amazon is not interested in phones). Either way, Ice Cream Sandwich will be open source. If it's not, then you'll know for sure Google is abusing it's position.
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - Apoc - 09-30-2011
G.Irish Wrote:Open source doesn't mean that you can't charge for a value add like the Android market or Google Apps.
+1
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - Evan - 09-30-2011
Gerald I think you are misunderstanding my point. Im not arguing that the source code behind Android doesnt fit the literal definition of "open source", its that a mobile OS is more than code, it is an ecosystem. And since google keeps their ecosystem under tight wraps, its effectively impossible for you or I or a small company to come to market with a successful Android device, which is the spiritual point of OSS. Google wants complete control, the OSS thing is just a trojan horse, and that is most certainly out of the 'spirit' of OSS, which has always been about 'the little guy being able to compete'
now Im no OSS zealot, so I dont care much other than I roll my eyes when google and its fanbois hide behind the "open source" while doing the same evil empire shit that every other large company does.
it just really makes me chuckle to see that Amazon has the size and resources to take away Google's control, turn their OS around and fuck Google in the ass with it.
put it this way, its like saying OS X is open source, its just that the entire UI (and some other things) are just value added extras.
in mobile-land, the ecosystem is part of the OS
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - WRXtranceformed - 10-02-2011
This thread got nerdy with the QUICKness.
I downloaded Drag Racing on the tab. It's gay as all hell but weirdly entertaining.
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - Sully - 10-02-2011
Stupid WebOS won't let me set my tablet up unless I have wifi. And I don't have wifi. Its not like android where you can skip creating an account and what not and of course the only way to connect to an ad-hoc network like the one provided by my Droid, is to already have it setup and go and download some shit. So I am stuck until tomorrow when I go back on campus and have access to Wifi.
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Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - G.Irish - 10-03-2011
Evan Wrote:Gerald I think you are misunderstanding my point. Im not arguing that the source code behind Android doesnt fit the literal definition of "open source", its that a mobile OS is more than code, it is an ecosystem. And since google keeps their ecosystem under tight wraps, its effectively impossible for you or I or a small company to come to market with a successful Android device, which is the spiritual point of OSS. Google wants complete control, the OSS thing is just a trojan horse, and that is most certainly out of the 'spirit' of OSS, which has always been about 'the little guy being able to compete'Yeah I guess if you view OSS as a community or philosophy then maybe you could say Android doesn't fit. To me I don't think open source means that you have to give everyone everything so they can make money. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think one of the central tenets of OSS is, "Thou shalt provide everything that someone would need to be able to build a device and make money from selling it." OSS is not about guaranteeing someone will have a viable business model if they build something with your code.
Quote:now Im no OSS zealot, so I dont care much other than I roll my eyes when google and its fanbois hide behind the "open source" while doing the same evil empire shit that every other large company does.Yeah I would say the whole, "You can't put competing apps on your device if want to be able to use the Android Market.." move falls squarely into "evil empire" territory. Enough so that I wouldn't be surprised if the Feds go after them on that
Quote:it just really makes me chuckle to see that Amazon has the size and resources to take away Google's control, turn their OS around and fuck Google in the ass with it.Yeah but I just don't really think it was something Google wasn't aware could happen, otherwise they would have built Android in a way that prevents users from ever sideloading, or they would've gone closed source. Either that or Google is the most myopic company ever.
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - Apoc - 10-03-2011
Maybe I give them too much credit, but I think we'd be stupid to think Google is either surprised or pissed about it.
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - Apoc - 10-03-2011
There's a pretty sweet add-om keyboard for free in amazons free app of the day today. I think I like it better than the stock touch keyboard.
Re: The official tablet (and other useless electronics) thre - WRXtranceformed - 10-04-2011
What is it called